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triplet problem in multi-staff score 2.7 and 2.6 versions

Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence
I'm having a problem that I can't see to fix.
Here's the file.
The problem is pdf output at measure 36 third staff.  The triplet or
something has made the staff spacing huge.  Since it's the only place
that this is happening and there is nothing that I can see in the file
that makes it this way.  I'm stumped.

This was a problem in 2.6x too but I thought maybe it was me.
Jay

oh yeah running this on xp




\version "2.7.4"
\header {
  title = "Jat 9"
  composer = "Jay Hamilton"
  subtitle = "suite for five instruments"
  copyright = "CC some rights reserved Jay Hamilton 2005"
 
}
one = \relative c'
{
\clef treble
\key a \minor
\time 6/8
#(set-global-staff-size 20)
\tempo 8=112
r8 b'4 r8 b r | r8. b r b |r8 b4 r8 c r | r \times 2/3 {e16 d c } r8 c r a|
\times 2/3 {e'16 d c} r8 b r4 a8| r8 b r r d r | r \times 2/3 {e16 d b}
r8 d r g,|
fis8 a c r4.| fis,8 r4 r8 b16 c8. | a4. r| a16 a8. r8 \times 2/3 {c16 b
a} r8 g16 g|
fis 16 fis r8 fis'8 e4. | d8 b g c a fis| b16 c b a g b g fis e4| c'16 d
c b a b a g f8 r|
b16 a g8 r c16 b a8 r| e'4. (d4) r8|
%17
r2. | r8 b a r a16 fis a8| r8 b-. a-. r a16 fis a8| r8 c-. b-. r8 a16 g e8|
d16 e fis g a c b8 a4 | r8 b (a) g fis16 g a8 | e'8 (d) r b a16 b d8|
c8 b16 a g8 a fis16 fis a8| r b16 b8. r8 fis'16 fis8. | c2. | d8 c b a g
fis |
g2. | e'8 d c b a g | c8. b a4.| fis'8 a,4 e'8. c | g'8 b,4 fis'8. d |
e8 d16 c b a c8 g'16 fis g8|
%34
a4 g fis | d c b | a8 a4 a8 a16 a a8| g4 fis e | b'2.| r8 a r r g r
r8 c r g16 fis8. r8 r e r r e'16 d8.| r8 d, r r f'16 e8. | g8 fis 16 e d
c b a8. r8|
b8 d fis a4 g8| e16 e8. r8 c16 b a b c e| e g a8 d, c16 b b c g8 |
c16 b b c b g ~ g e g8 ~ g16 g | \acciaccatura fis8 fis'4 r8
\acciaccatura g8 c,4 r8|
\acciaccatura b8 fis'4 r8 e16 d c b a8
%page 5
\acciaccatura g8 a'4. a16 a g4| \times 2/3 {g16 g g} fis4 r8 e16 e d8 |
c16 c a'4 \times 2/3 { a16 a a} g8. fis16| e4 r8 c4 b8| c8 a4 g4. ~ |
g8 g16 fis e g fis8. e16 d8| \times 2/3 { e8 b' b} e,8 a a e| \times 2/3
{ a8 e' e} a,8 b a c|
b8 a c c16 c c8 c| b16 a g a b8 b16 b b8 b|
%page 6 measure 61
a16 g fis e fis8 g b d| a2. \bar "||"

}
two = \relative c'
{
    \clef treble
    \key a \minor
    \time 6/8
r2. | r8 b r r b r| c4. c| b'8 c,4 c4.| d16 e fis g a b c8 c,4| c4. r|
a' r| fis4 a c|
c,4. c| g'8 g16 fis g8 b4.| b16 a g fis g8 ~ g4 r8| fis4. e16 d e8 r|
g16 g8 g16 f8 r e16 e8. |
d4. r| d16 e fis4 r8 \times 2/3 {a16 a g} g8|
%16 page 3
\times 2/3 {d16 d e} fis4 g16 g8 fis16 fis8| e16 d c b c4. r8| a'4. a16
g fis g c8|
d16 c b a b4. r8| a4. r| g r| fis r| e16 d e fis e d c b a4| b16 c8. r8
b' c fis|
e2. ~| e| c16 a8 fis16 g8 a g e| r2.| g8. [fis16] g8. [a16] g a8.| e8
fis g a b c| a2.|
% 32 page 4
c8 c4 c8 c16 c c8| b8 a4 g8 fis16 g b8| a2.| e8 e4 fis8 a16 c a8|
e'32 d16. r8 b32 a16. r8 g32 d'16. r8| a16 g a b c b a g a4| e'16 d c b
c4 r|
d16 c b a b4 r| g16 a b g fis4 r| d'16 d d8 d16 d c8 [b32 a g fis e8]|
r2.| fis|g|
a16 g a b c4 r| b16 a b d c4 r| b16 a g a fis4 r| a2.|
%49 page 5
g16 fis e8 e16 fis g e a4 | a16 b c8 c16 b c d b4| a16 g fis8 g16 fis e8
fis16 g d8|
c4 b2| r2.| c'4 b c | e d c | b2 r4| a8 fis a c b a | g2 r4| fis16 g a8
r g16 d e8 r|
fis16 g fis d e2| r2.| b'8 e,4 ~ e4. \bar "||"


}
three = \relative c'
{
    \clef treble
    \key a \minor
    \time 6/8
a'4 c8 b b16 a a8 | c4 a8 fis g16 fis a8 |
%3
a4 b8 c c16 b c8 | b4 a8 g g16 a g8 | a4 \times 2/3 {g16 fis a} g8 g16
fis g8 |
a4 \times 2/3 { g16 fis a} g8 a16 b a8| a4 d8 d c16 b a8 | a4 d8 e fis16
e d8 |
a4 d8 e d16 c b a | g a g8 a16 g fis4.|
%11
a4 e8 d d16 e d8 | e16 fis g a g fis b8 b16 c b8 | e4 e8 d16 c d e c8 |
d4 d8 c c16 b a8 | g4 c8 a16 b c b a fis | g4 c8 a4. | a4 d8 b4. |
e,4 a8 a a16 a a8 | g16 fis8. c'8 a a16 a a8 | fis16 e8. b'8 a g16 b a8 |
fis8.e16 a8 a g16 b d8 |
%22
e4 fis8 e e16 d c8 | d4 e8 d d16 c b8 | c4. r| a4 fis'8 e d16 c b8 | a4
fis'8 g16
fis e d e8| a,4 g'8 g16 fis g a e8| fis16 e fis g d8 e16 d e fis c8| d8
a4 ~ a4.|
r2.| a8 fis'4 e16 d e g fis8| e16 d e fis b,8 ~ b16 b a4| a8 g4 \times
2/3 {a8 [b c]} d8|
%34
e4. r| g4 e8 a4.| fis4 c32 b16. r8 \times 2/3{a c e} | fis d b e a, c|
g16 a8. r8 a4. | e'8 a,4 a8 a16 g a8|
e'8 b4 a8 a16 b c8 | d a4 d8 g,4| a8 b16 c d8 a g16 b a8| a8 g16 b a8
\times 2/3 { a8 [g b]} a8|
a16 ( [g b] a [g b]) a ( [g b] c) [d8] | e8 [b16 b b b] a8 [b16 b c b] |
e fis b, b b b a b c d e g|
%46
e16 g a8 \times 2/3 { d,16 d d } \times 2/3 {c16 b a}\times 2/3 {c16 b a
} \times 2/3 {g16 fis fis}|
fis8 fis4 fis8 fis16 fis fis8| fis8 e4 e8 e16 e e8| e16 d a'4 a8 a16 g
a8 ~ a8 e4 a8 g16 b a8|
g8 fis4 e8 d16 e e8| b'8 b4 b8 a16 b a8| g8 g4 g8 fis16 g a b | g8 g4 g8
fis16 g fis8|
e2. | a2.| c8 c4 c8 b16 c b a | c8 c4 c8 b16 a g a | b8 b4 a16 g fis e d
a' | c4 d e |
a,2. \bar "||"






}
four = \relative c
{
    \clef bass
    \key a \minor
    \time 6/8
b4 r8 a4 r8 | b4 r8 a4 r8 | b4 r8 c4 r8| b r4 c8 r4 | fis4 r8 e4 r8| e4
r8 b4 r8|
c4 r8 g4 r8 | d4 r8 g4 r8| b16 c d c g b d8 r4 | c4 r8 d4 r8 | c16 d e d
b g b4.|
%12
g'4 g8 g g16 g g8| b,4 b8 b b16 b b8| b16 a g a b e d8 c d ~ | d4 r2 |r2.|
%17
fis4 fis8 fis g16 a g8 | g a16 b c8 g a16 b d8| e e16 fis e d c8 r4 | c8
c16 d b c a8 r4|
g16 fis e fis d e c d e fis32 a c8| r2.| r2.|c,2.|
%25
e,16 e-> e e-> e e-> e e-> e e e8| e' e16 d c d e fis g d ~ d c| b a b c
d e c8 g b|
e,16 e-> e e-> e e-> e e-> e e e8|
%29
b'4 b8 b b16 b b8| a16 b c b a d e d g fis e d| e16 c e c d c b c d a d a|
b16 c d8 r a16 b c8 r | g16 fis e8 r d' a4 |


}
five = \relative c'
{
    \clef bass
    \key a \minor
    \time 6/8
    r4 \times 2/3 { b,16 b b} r4 \times 2/3 {b16 b b}| r4 \times 2/3
{b16 b b }
    r4 \times 2/3 {b16 b b }


}
\score {
<<
    \new Staff \one
    \new Staff \two
    \new Staff \three
    \new Staff \four
    \new Staff \five
    >>
    \layout { }
\midi { \tempo 8=112 }
}

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Re: triplet problem in multi-staff score 2.7 and 2.6 versions

Graham Percival-2

On 21-Aug-05, at 10:57 AM, Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence wrote:

> The problem is pdf output at measure 36 third staff.  The triplet or
> something has made the staff spacing huge.  Since it's the only place
> that this is happening and there is nothing that I can see in the file
> that makes it this way.  I'm stumped.

Please construct a small example that demonstrates this -- probably
just bars
35, 36, and 37, but you won't know until you try it.

Cheers,
- Graham



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Re: triplet problem in multi-staff score 2.7 and 2.6 versions

Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence
Graham (all)
I edited it down to 6 measures and the 'problem' didn't appear and it
doesn't happen with any other triplets in the piece (and there are many).

So- next step?
Jay

Graham Percival wrote:

>
> On 21-Aug-05, at 10:57 AM, Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence wrote:
>
>> The problem is pdf output at measure 36 third staff.  The triplet or
>> something has made the staff spacing huge.  Since it's the only place
>> that this is happening and there is nothing that I can see in the
>> file that makes it this way.  I'm stumped.
>
>
> Please construct a small example that demonstrates this -- probably
> just bars
> 35, 36, and 37, but you won't know until you try it.
>
> Cheers,
> - Graham
>
>

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Jay Hamilton
Sound and Silence
206-328-7694
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Re: triplet problem in multi-staff score 2.7 and 2.6 versions

Graham Percival-2

On 21-Aug-05, at 5:26 PM, Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence wrote:

> Graham (all)
> I edited it down to 6 measures and the 'problem' didn't appear and it
> doesn't happen with any other triplets in the piece (and there are
> many).

Well, try un-editing it a bit so that you have more than six measures.  
The basic idea is to
reproduce the problem in as small an example as possible.  It's
difficult for us to figure
out what's going on if you send your whole piece.  In addition, by
trying to create a small
example, you may discover that the bug wasn't a bug; it was just
something else.

For example, I had a look at your original piece and I can't see
anything wrong.  Lilypond
has to fit g32 d'16. in the space of one note of the triplet, so of
course it'll be spaced
out more.  Of course, since I'm running a different version of
lilypond, my version could
be missing this bug that your version has.  If you think that's the
case, keep on working
on creating a small example

Basically, almost any bug should be able to be able to be expressed in
ten lines of lilypond
code.  There are _some_ exceptions, but not very many.

Cheers,
- Graham



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Re: triplet problem in multi-staff score 2.7 and 2.6 versions

stk
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I hate to make a simple-minded suggestion, but the triplet in question

     \times 2/3{a c e}

is written differently from all your other triplets.  If you put a space
after the 2/3 and an 8 after the a, does the problem persist?

     \times 2/3  {a8 c e}

Conceivably, the \times operator blows a cork while it's trying to figure
out what "2/3{a c e}" is.  That guess is pretty far out, so probably I'm
wrong, but it would be easy to fix just to see.

Also, your fourth part (and staff) stops abruptly at measure 33.  Could
that somehow cause a problem with staff spacing because of space being
left for the ghost of the 4th staff?  What happens if you (temporarily)
add another half-dozen measures to the fourth part?

-- Tom

********************************************************************

Jay Hamilton wrote:

I'm having a problem that I can't see to fix.
Here's the file.
The problem is pdf output at measure 36 third staff.  The triplet or
something has made the staff spacing huge.  Since it's the only place
that this is happening and there is nothing that I can see in the file
that makes it this way.  I'm stumped.

This was a problem in 2.6x too but I thought maybe it was me.
Jay

oh yeah running this on xp




\version "2.7.4"
\header {
  title = "Jat 9"
  composer = "Jay Hamilton"
  subtitle = "suite for five instruments"
  copyright = "CC some rights reserved Jay Hamilton 2005"

}
one = \relative c'
{
\clef treble
\key a \minor
\time 6/8
#(set-global-staff-size 20)
\tempo 8=112
r8 b'4 r8 b r | r8. b r b |r8 b4 r8 c r | r \times 2/3 {e16 d c } r8 c r a|
\times 2/3 {e'16 d c} r8 b r4 a8| r8 b r r d r | r \times 2/3 {e16 d b}
r8 d r g,|
fis8 a c r4.| fis,8 r4 r8 b16 c8. | a4. r| a16 a8. r8 \times 2/3 {c16 b
a} r8 g16 g|
fis 16 fis r8 fis'8 e4. | d8 b g c a fis| b16 c b a g b g fis e4| c'16 d
c b a b a g f8 r|
b16 a g8 r c16 b a8 r| e'4. (d4) r8|
%17
r2. | r8 b a r a16 fis a8| r8 b-. a-. r a16 fis a8| r8 c-. b-. r8 a16 g e8|
d16 e fis g a c b8 a4 | r8 b (a) g fis16 g a8 | e'8 (d) r b a16 b d8|
c8 b16 a g8 a fis16 fis a8| r b16 b8. r8 fis'16 fis8. | c2. | d8 c b a g
fis |
g2. | e'8 d c b a g | c8. b a4.| fis'8 a,4 e'8. c | g'8 b,4 fis'8. d |
e8 d16 c b a c8 g'16 fis g8|
%34
a4 g fis | d c b | a8 a4 a8 a16 a a8| g4 fis e | b'2.| r8 a r r g r
r8 c r g16 fis8. r8 r e r r e'16 d8.| r8 d, r r f'16 e8. | g8 fis 16 e d
c b a8. r8|
b8 d fis a4 g8| e16 e8. r8 c16 b a b c e| e g a8 d, c16 b b c g8 |
c16 b b c b g ~ g e g8 ~ g16 g | \acciaccatura fis8 fis'4 r8
\acciaccatura g8 c,4 r8|
\acciaccatura b8 fis'4 r8 e16 d c b a8
%page 5
\acciaccatura g8 a'4. a16 a g4| \times 2/3 {g16 g g} fis4 r8 e16 e d8 |
c16 c a'4 \times 2/3 { a16 a a} g8. fis16| e4 r8 c4 b8| c8 a4 g4. ~ |
g8 g16 fis e g fis8. e16 d8| \times 2/3 { e8 b' b} e,8 a a e| \times 2/3
{ a8 e' e} a,8 b a c|
b8 a c c16 c c8 c| b16 a g a b8 b16 b b8 b|
%page 6 measure 61
a16 g fis e fis8 g b d| a2. \bar "||"

}
two = \relative c'
{
    \clef treble
    \key a \minor
    \time 6/8
r2. | r8 b r r b r| c4. c| b'8 c,4 c4.| d16 e fis g a b c8 c,4| c4. r|
a' r| fis4 a c|
c,4. c| g'8 g16 fis g8 b4.| b16 a g fis g8 ~ g4 r8| fis4. e16 d e8 r|
g16 g8 g16 f8 r e16 e8. |
d4. r| d16 e fis4 r8 \times 2/3 {a16 a g} g8|
%16 page 3
\times 2/3 {d16 d e} fis4 g16 g8 fis16 fis8| e16 d c b c4. r8| a'4. a16
g fis g c8|
d16 c b a b4. r8| a4. r| g r| fis r| e16 d e fis e d c b a4| b16 c8. r8
b' c fis|
e2. ~| e| c16 a8 fis16 g8 a g e| r2.| g8. [fis16] g8. [a16] g a8.| e8
fis g a b c| a2.|
% 32 page 4
c8 c4 c8 c16 c c8| b8 a4 g8 fis16 g b8| a2.| e8 e4 fis8 a16 c a8|
e'32 d16. r8 b32 a16. r8 g32 d'16. r8| a16 g a b c b a g a4| e'16 d c b
c4 r|
d16 c b a b4 r| g16 a b g fis4 r| d'16 d d8 d16 d c8 [b32 a g fis e8]|
r2.| fis|g|
a16 g a b c4 r| b16 a b d c4 r| b16 a g a fis4 r| a2.|
%49 page 5
g16 fis e8 e16 fis g e a4 | a16 b c8 c16 b c d b4| a16 g fis8 g16 fis e8
fis16 g d8|
c4 b2| r2.| c'4 b c | e d c | b2 r4| a8 fis a c b a | g2 r4| fis16 g a8
r g16 d e8 r|
fis16 g fis d e2| r2.| b'8 e,4 ~ e4. \bar "||"


}
three = \relative c'
{
    \clef treble
    \key a \minor
    \time 6/8
a'4 c8 b b16 a a8 | c4 a8 fis g16 fis a8 |
%3
a4 b8 c c16 b c8 | b4 a8 g g16 a g8 | a4 \times 2/3 {g16 fis a} g8 g16
fis g8 |
a4 \times 2/3 { g16 fis a} g8 a16 b a8| a4 d8 d c16 b a8 | a4 d8 e fis16
e d8 |
a4 d8 e d16 c b a | g a g8 a16 g fis4.|
%11
a4 e8 d d16 e d8 | e16 fis g a g fis b8 b16 c b8 | e4 e8 d16 c d e c8 |
d4 d8 c c16 b a8 | g4 c8 a16 b c b a fis | g4 c8 a4. | a4 d8 b4. |
e,4 a8 a a16 a a8 | g16 fis8. c'8 a a16 a a8 | fis16 e8. b'8 a g16 b a8 |
fis8.e16 a8 a g16 b d8 |
%22
e4 fis8 e e16 d c8 | d4 e8 d d16 c b8 | c4. r| a4 fis'8 e d16 c b8 | a4
fis'8 g16
fis e d e8| a,4 g'8 g16 fis g a e8| fis16 e fis g d8 e16 d e fis c8| d8
a4 ~ a4.|
r2.| a8 fis'4 e16 d e g fis8| e16 d e fis b,8 ~ b16 b a4| a8 g4 \times
2/3 {a8 [b c]} d8|
%34
e4. r| g4 e8 a4.| fis4 c32 b16. r8 \times 2/3{a c e} | fis d b e a, c|
g16 a8. r8 a4. | e'8 a,4 a8 a16 g a8|
e'8 b4 a8 a16 b c8 | d a4 d8 g,4| a8 b16 c d8 a g16 b a8| a8 g16 b a8
\times 2/3 { a8 [g b]} a8|
a16 ( [g b] a [g b]) a ( [g b] c) [d8] | e8 [b16 b b b] a8 [b16 b c b] |
e fis b, b b b a b c d e g|
%46
e16 g a8 \times 2/3 { d,16 d d } \times 2/3 {c16 b a}\times 2/3 {c16 b a
} \times 2/3 {g16 fis fis}|
fis8 fis4 fis8 fis16 fis fis8| fis8 e4 e8 e16 e e8| e16 d a'4 a8 a16 g
a8 ~ a8 e4 a8 g16 b a8|
g8 fis4 e8 d16 e e8| b'8 b4 b8 a16 b a8| g8 g4 g8 fis16 g a b | g8 g4 g8
fis16 g fis8|
e2. | a2.| c8 c4 c8 b16 c b a | c8 c4 c8 b16 a g a | b8 b4 a16 g fis e d
a' | c4 d e |
a,2. \bar "||"






}
four = \relative c
{
    \clef bass
    \key a \minor
    \time 6/8
b4 r8 a4 r8 | b4 r8 a4 r8 | b4 r8 c4 r8| b r4 c8 r4 | fis4 r8 e4 r8| e4
r8 b4 r8|
c4 r8 g4 r8 | d4 r8 g4 r8| b16 c d c g b d8 r4 | c4 r8 d4 r8 | c16 d e d
b g b4.|
%12
g'4 g8 g g16 g g8| b,4 b8 b b16 b b8| b16 a g a b e d8 c d ~ | d4 r2 |r2.|
%17
fis4 fis8 fis g16 a g8 | g a16 b c8 g a16 b d8| e e16 fis e d c8 r4 | c8
c16 d b c a8 r4|
g16 fis e fis d e c d e fis32 a c8| r2.| r2.|c,2.|
%25
e,16 e-> e e-> e e-> e e-> e e e8| e' e16 d c d e fis g d ~ d c| b a b c
d e c8 g b|
e,16 e-> e e-> e e-> e e-> e e e8|
%29
b'4 b8 b b16 b b8| a16 b c b a d e d g fis e d| e16 c e c d c b c d a d a|
b16 c d8 r a16 b c8 r | g16 fis e8 r d' a4 |


}
five = \relative c'
{
    \clef bass
    \key a \minor
    \time 6/8
    r4 \times 2/3 { b,16 b b} r4 \times 2/3 {b16 b b}| r4 \times 2/3
{b16 b b }
    r4 \times 2/3 {b16 b b }


}
\score {
<<
    \new Staff \one
    \new Staff \two
    \new Staff \three
    \new Staff \four
    \new Staff \five
    >>
    \layout { }
\midi { \tempo 8=112 }
}





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Re: triplet problem in multi-staff score 2.7 and 2.6 versions

Mats Bengtsson-6
In reply to this post by Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence
Just as Graham, I cannot repeat your problem. I tried both version 2.7.6
and 2.6.3. As always, I recommend the stable version 2.6.x for any
serious typesetting, unless you need one of the new features in 2.7.x.

    /Mats

Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence wrote:

> I'm having a problem that I can't see to fix.
> Here's the file.
> The problem is pdf output at measure 36 third staff.  The triplet or
> something has made the staff spacing huge.  Since it's the only place
> that this is happening and there is nothing that I can see in the file
> that makes it this way.  I'm stumped.
>
> This was a problem in 2.6x too but I thought maybe it was me.
> Jay
>
> oh yeah running this on xp
>
>
>
>
> \version "2.7.4"
> \header {
>  title = "Jat 9"
>  composer = "Jay Hamilton"
>  subtitle = "suite for five instruments"
>  copyright = "CC some rights reserved Jay Hamilton 2005"
>
> }
> one = \relative c'
> {
> \clef treble
> \key a \minor
> \time 6/8
> #(set-global-staff-size 20)
> \tempo 8=112
> r8 b'4 r8 b r | r8. b r b |r8 b4 r8 c r | r \times 2/3 {e16 d c } r8 c r a|
> \times 2/3 {e'16 d c} r8 b r4 a8| r8 b r r d r | r \times 2/3 {e16 d b}
> r8 d r g,|
> fis8 a c r4.| fis,8 r4 r8 b16 c8. | a4. r| a16 a8. r8 \times 2/3 {c16 b
> a} r8 g16 g|
> fis 16 fis r8 fis'8 e4. | d8 b g c a fis| b16 c b a g b g fis e4| c'16 d
> c b a b a g f8 r|
> b16 a g8 r c16 b a8 r| e'4. (d4) r8|
> %17
> r2. | r8 b a r a16 fis a8| r8 b-. a-. r a16 fis a8| r8 c-. b-. r8 a16 g e8|
> d16 e fis g a c b8 a4 | r8 b (a) g fis16 g a8 | e'8 (d) r b a16 b d8|
> c8 b16 a g8 a fis16 fis a8| r b16 b8. r8 fis'16 fis8. | c2. | d8 c b a g
> fis |
> g2. | e'8 d c b a g | c8. b a4.| fis'8 a,4 e'8. c | g'8 b,4 fis'8. d |
> e8 d16 c b a c8 g'16 fis g8|
> %34
> a4 g fis | d c b | a8 a4 a8 a16 a a8| g4 fis e | b'2.| r8 a r r g r
> r8 c r g16 fis8. r8 r e r r e'16 d8.| r8 d, r r f'16 e8. | g8 fis 16 e d
> c b a8. r8|
> b8 d fis a4 g8| e16 e8. r8 c16 b a b c e| e g a8 d, c16 b b c g8 |
> c16 b b c b g ~ g e g8 ~ g16 g | \acciaccatura fis8 fis'4 r8
> \acciaccatura g8 c,4 r8|
> \acciaccatura b8 fis'4 r8 e16 d c b a8
> %page 5
> \acciaccatura g8 a'4. a16 a g4| \times 2/3 {g16 g g} fis4 r8 e16 e d8 |
> c16 c a'4 \times 2/3 { a16 a a} g8. fis16| e4 r8 c4 b8| c8 a4 g4. ~ |
> g8 g16 fis e g fis8. e16 d8| \times 2/3 { e8 b' b} e,8 a a e| \times 2/3
> { a8 e' e} a,8 b a c|
> b8 a c c16 c c8 c| b16 a g a b8 b16 b b8 b|
> %page 6 measure 61
> a16 g fis e fis8 g b d| a2. \bar "||"
>
> }
> two = \relative c'
> {
>    \clef treble
>    \key a \minor
>    \time 6/8
> r2. | r8 b r r b r| c4. c| b'8 c,4 c4.| d16 e fis g a b c8 c,4| c4. r|
> a' r| fis4 a c|
> c,4. c| g'8 g16 fis g8 b4.| b16 a g fis g8 ~ g4 r8| fis4. e16 d e8 r|
> g16 g8 g16 f8 r e16 e8. |
> d4. r| d16 e fis4 r8 \times 2/3 {a16 a g} g8|
> %16 page 3
> \times 2/3 {d16 d e} fis4 g16 g8 fis16 fis8| e16 d c b c4. r8| a'4. a16
> g fis g c8|
> d16 c b a b4. r8| a4. r| g r| fis r| e16 d e fis e d c b a4| b16 c8. r8
> b' c fis|
> e2. ~| e| c16 a8 fis16 g8 a g e| r2.| g8. [fis16] g8. [a16] g a8.| e8
> fis g a b c| a2.|
> % 32 page 4
> c8 c4 c8 c16 c c8| b8 a4 g8 fis16 g b8| a2.| e8 e4 fis8 a16 c a8|
> e'32 d16. r8 b32 a16. r8 g32 d'16. r8| a16 g a b c b a g a4| e'16 d c b
> c4 r|
> d16 c b a b4 r| g16 a b g fis4 r| d'16 d d8 d16 d c8 [b32 a g fis e8]|
> r2.| fis|g|
> a16 g a b c4 r| b16 a b d c4 r| b16 a g a fis4 r| a2.|
> %49 page 5
> g16 fis e8 e16 fis g e a4 | a16 b c8 c16 b c d b4| a16 g fis8 g16 fis e8
> fis16 g d8|
> c4 b2| r2.| c'4 b c | e d c | b2 r4| a8 fis a c b a | g2 r4| fis16 g a8
> r g16 d e8 r|
> fis16 g fis d e2| r2.| b'8 e,4 ~ e4. \bar "||"
>
>
> }
> three = \relative c'
> {
>    \clef treble
>    \key a \minor
>    \time 6/8
> a'4 c8 b b16 a a8 | c4 a8 fis g16 fis a8 |
> %3
> a4 b8 c c16 b c8 | b4 a8 g g16 a g8 | a4 \times 2/3 {g16 fis a} g8 g16
> fis g8 |
> a4 \times 2/3 { g16 fis a} g8 a16 b a8| a4 d8 d c16 b a8 | a4 d8 e fis16
> e d8 |
> a4 d8 e d16 c b a | g a g8 a16 g fis4.|
> %11
> a4 e8 d d16 e d8 | e16 fis g a g fis b8 b16 c b8 | e4 e8 d16 c d e c8 |
> d4 d8 c c16 b a8 | g4 c8 a16 b c b a fis | g4 c8 a4. | a4 d8 b4. |
> e,4 a8 a a16 a a8 | g16 fis8. c'8 a a16 a a8 | fis16 e8. b'8 a g16 b a8 |
> fis8.e16 a8 a g16 b d8 |
> %22
> e4 fis8 e e16 d c8 | d4 e8 d d16 c b8 | c4. r| a4 fis'8 e d16 c b8 | a4
> fis'8 g16
> fis e d e8| a,4 g'8 g16 fis g a e8| fis16 e fis g d8 e16 d e fis c8| d8
> a4 ~ a4.|
> r2.| a8 fis'4 e16 d e g fis8| e16 d e fis b,8 ~ b16 b a4| a8 g4 \times
> 2/3 {a8 [b c]} d8|
> %34
> e4. r| g4 e8 a4.| fis4 c32 b16. r8 \times 2/3{a c e} | fis d b e a, c|
> g16 a8. r8 a4. | e'8 a,4 a8 a16 g a8|
> e'8 b4 a8 a16 b c8 | d a4 d8 g,4| a8 b16 c d8 a g16 b a8| a8 g16 b a8
> \times 2/3 { a8 [g b]} a8|
> a16 ( [g b] a [g b]) a ( [g b] c) [d8] | e8 [b16 b b b] a8 [b16 b c b] |
> e fis b, b b b a b c d e g|
> %46
> e16 g a8 \times 2/3 { d,16 d d } \times 2/3 {c16 b a}\times 2/3 {c16 b a
> } \times 2/3 {g16 fis fis}|
> fis8 fis4 fis8 fis16 fis fis8| fis8 e4 e8 e16 e e8| e16 d a'4 a8 a16 g
> a8 ~ a8 e4 a8 g16 b a8|
> g8 fis4 e8 d16 e e8| b'8 b4 b8 a16 b a8| g8 g4 g8 fis16 g a b | g8 g4 g8
> fis16 g fis8|
> e2. | a2.| c8 c4 c8 b16 c b a | c8 c4 c8 b16 a g a | b8 b4 a16 g fis e d
> a' | c4 d e |
> a,2. \bar "||"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> }
> four = \relative c
> {
>    \clef bass
>    \key a \minor
>    \time 6/8
> b4 r8 a4 r8 | b4 r8 a4 r8 | b4 r8 c4 r8| b r4 c8 r4 | fis4 r8 e4 r8| e4
> r8 b4 r8|
> c4 r8 g4 r8 | d4 r8 g4 r8| b16 c d c g b d8 r4 | c4 r8 d4 r8 | c16 d e d
> b g b4.|
> %12
> g'4 g8 g g16 g g8| b,4 b8 b b16 b b8| b16 a g a b e d8 c d ~ | d4 r2 |r2.|
> %17
> fis4 fis8 fis g16 a g8 | g a16 b c8 g a16 b d8| e e16 fis e d c8 r4 | c8
> c16 d b c a8 r4|
> g16 fis e fis d e c d e fis32 a c8| r2.| r2.|c,2.|
> %25
> e,16 e-> e e-> e e-> e e-> e e e8| e' e16 d c d e fis g d ~ d c| b a b c
> d e c8 g b|
> e,16 e-> e e-> e e-> e e-> e e e8|
> %29
> b'4 b8 b b16 b b8| a16 b c b a d e d g fis e d| e16 c e c d c b c d a d a|
> b16 c d8 r a16 b c8 r | g16 fis e8 r d' a4 |
>
>
> }
> five = \relative c'
> {
>    \clef bass
>    \key a \minor
>    \time 6/8
>    r4 \times 2/3 { b,16 b b} r4 \times 2/3 {b16 b b}| r4 \times 2/3 {b16
> b b }
>    r4 \times 2/3 {b16 b b }
>
>
> }
> \score {
> <<
>    \new Staff \one
>    \new Staff \two
>    \new Staff \three
>    \new Staff \four
>    \new Staff \five
>    >>
>    \layout { }
> \midi { \tempo 8=112 }
> }
>

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Re: triplet problem in multi-staff score 2.7 and 2.6 versions

Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence
In reply to this post by stk
Alas that did not solve the problem in 2.7.4 but it did solve it for
2.6.x so at least I've got a good copy now.
Thanks all.
Jay
BTW there does seem to be disagreement on the list,  I am under the
impression that Han-Wen thinks 2.7x are usable and therefore should be
used (and sometimes have to be used to get benefit from some of the
needed features)
But then Mats/Graham and others keep on recommending staying with
'stable' which won't have the 'needed' features.  I'd love a
clarification on this one.

[hidden email] wrote:

>I hate to make a simple-minded suggestion, but the triplet in question
>
>     \times 2/3{a c e}
>
>is written differently from all your other triplets.  If you put a space
>after the 2/3 and an 8 after the a, does the problem persist?
>
>     \times 2/3  {a8 c e}
>
>Conceivably, the \times operator blows a cork while it's trying to figure
>out what "2/3{a c e}" is.  That guess is pretty far out, so probably I'm
>wrong, but it would be easy to fix just to see.
>
>Also, your fourth part (and staff) stops abruptly at measure 33.  Could
>that somehow cause a problem with staff spacing because of space being
>left for the ghost of the 4th staff?  What happens if you (temporarily)
>add another half-dozen measures to the fourth part?
>
>-- Tom
>
>********************************************************************
>
>Jay Hamilton wrote:
>
>I'm having a problem that I can't see to fix.
>Here's the file.
>The problem is pdf output at measure 36 third staff.  The triplet or
>something has made the staff spacing huge.  Since it's the only place
>that this is happening and there is nothing that I can see in the file
>that makes it this way.  I'm stumped.
>
>This was a problem in 2.6x too but I thought maybe it was me.
>Jay
>
>oh yeah running this on xp
>
>
>
>
>\version "2.7.4"
>\header {
>  title = "Jat 9"
>  composer = "Jay Hamilton"
>  subtitle = "suite for five instruments"
>  copyright = "CC some rights reserved Jay Hamilton 2005"
>
>}
>one = \relative c'
>{
>\clef treble
>\key a \minor
>\time 6/8
>#(set-global-staff-size 20)
>\tempo 8=112
>r8 b'4 r8 b r | r8. b r b |r8 b4 r8 c r | r \times 2/3 {e16 d c } r8 c r a|
>\times 2/3 {e'16 d c} r8 b r4 a8| r8 b r r d r | r \times 2/3 {e16 d b}
>r8 d r g,|
>fis8 a c r4.| fis,8 r4 r8 b16 c8. | a4. r| a16 a8. r8 \times 2/3 {c16 b
>a} r8 g16 g|
>fis 16 fis r8 fis'8 e4. | d8 b g c a fis| b16 c b a g b g fis e4| c'16 d
>c b a b a g f8 r|
>b16 a g8 r c16 b a8 r| e'4. (d4) r8|
>%17
>r2. | r8 b a r a16 fis a8| r8 b-. a-. r a16 fis a8| r8 c-. b-. r8 a16 g e8|
>d16 e fis g a c b8 a4 | r8 b (a) g fis16 g a8 | e'8 (d) r b a16 b d8|
>c8 b16 a g8 a fis16 fis a8| r b16 b8. r8 fis'16 fis8. | c2. | d8 c b a g
>fis |
>g2. | e'8 d c b a g | c8. b a4.| fis'8 a,4 e'8. c | g'8 b,4 fis'8. d |
>e8 d16 c b a c8 g'16 fis g8|
>%34
>a4 g fis | d c b | a8 a4 a8 a16 a a8| g4 fis e | b'2.| r8 a r r g r
>r8 c r g16 fis8. r8 r e r r e'16 d8.| r8 d, r r f'16 e8. | g8 fis 16 e d
>c b a8. r8|
>b8 d fis a4 g8| e16 e8. r8 c16 b a b c e| e g a8 d, c16 b b c g8 |
>c16 b b c b g ~ g e g8 ~ g16 g | \acciaccatura fis8 fis'4 r8
>\acciaccatura g8 c,4 r8|
>\acciaccatura b8 fis'4 r8 e16 d c b a8
>%page 5
>\acciaccatura g8 a'4. a16 a g4| \times 2/3 {g16 g g} fis4 r8 e16 e d8 |
>c16 c a'4 \times 2/3 { a16 a a} g8. fis16| e4 r8 c4 b8| c8 a4 g4. ~ |
>g8 g16 fis e g fis8. e16 d8| \times 2/3 { e8 b' b} e,8 a a e| \times 2/3
>{ a8 e' e} a,8 b a c|
>b8 a c c16 c c8 c| b16 a g a b8 b16 b b8 b|
>%page 6 measure 61
>a16 g fis e fis8 g b d| a2. \bar "||"
>
>}
>two = \relative c'
>{
>    \clef treble
>    \key a \minor
>    \time 6/8
>r2. | r8 b r r b r| c4. c| b'8 c,4 c4.| d16 e fis g a b c8 c,4| c4. r|
>a' r| fis4 a c|
>c,4. c| g'8 g16 fis g8 b4.| b16 a g fis g8 ~ g4 r8| fis4. e16 d e8 r|
>g16 g8 g16 f8 r e16 e8. |
>d4. r| d16 e fis4 r8 \times 2/3 {a16 a g} g8|
>%16 page 3
>\times 2/3 {d16 d e} fis4 g16 g8 fis16 fis8| e16 d c b c4. r8| a'4. a16
>g fis g c8|
>d16 c b a b4. r8| a4. r| g r| fis r| e16 d e fis e d c b a4| b16 c8. r8
>b' c fis|
>e2. ~| e| c16 a8 fis16 g8 a g e| r2.| g8. [fis16] g8. [a16] g a8.| e8
>fis g a b c| a2.|
>% 32 page 4
>c8 c4 c8 c16 c c8| b8 a4 g8 fis16 g b8| a2.| e8 e4 fis8 a16 c a8|
>e'32 d16. r8 b32 a16. r8 g32 d'16. r8| a16 g a b c b a g a4| e'16 d c b
>c4 r|
>d16 c b a b4 r| g16 a b g fis4 r| d'16 d d8 d16 d c8 [b32 a g fis e8]|
>r2.| fis|g|
>a16 g a b c4 r| b16 a b d c4 r| b16 a g a fis4 r| a2.|
>%49 page 5
>g16 fis e8 e16 fis g e a4 | a16 b c8 c16 b c d b4| a16 g fis8 g16 fis e8
>fis16 g d8|
>c4 b2| r2.| c'4 b c | e d c | b2 r4| a8 fis a c b a | g2 r4| fis16 g a8
>r g16 d e8 r|
>fis16 g fis d e2| r2.| b'8 e,4 ~ e4. \bar "||"
>
>
>}
>three = \relative c'
>{
>    \clef treble
>    \key a \minor
>    \time 6/8
>a'4 c8 b b16 a a8 | c4 a8 fis g16 fis a8 |
>%3
>a4 b8 c c16 b c8 | b4 a8 g g16 a g8 | a4 \times 2/3 {g16 fis a} g8 g16
>fis g8 |
>a4 \times 2/3 { g16 fis a} g8 a16 b a8| a4 d8 d c16 b a8 | a4 d8 e fis16
>e d8 |
>a4 d8 e d16 c b a | g a g8 a16 g fis4.|
>%11
>a4 e8 d d16 e d8 | e16 fis g a g fis b8 b16 c b8 | e4 e8 d16 c d e c8 |
>d4 d8 c c16 b a8 | g4 c8 a16 b c b a fis | g4 c8 a4. | a4 d8 b4. |
>e,4 a8 a a16 a a8 | g16 fis8. c'8 a a16 a a8 | fis16 e8. b'8 a g16 b a8 |
>fis8.e16 a8 a g16 b d8 |
>%22
>e4 fis8 e e16 d c8 | d4 e8 d d16 c b8 | c4. r| a4 fis'8 e d16 c b8 | a4
>fis'8 g16
>fis e d e8| a,4 g'8 g16 fis g a e8| fis16 e fis g d8 e16 d e fis c8| d8
>a4 ~ a4.|
>r2.| a8 fis'4 e16 d e g fis8| e16 d e fis b,8 ~ b16 b a4| a8 g4 \times
>2/3 {a8 [b c]} d8|
>%34
>e4. r| g4 e8 a4.| fis4 c32 b16. r8 \times 2/3{a c e} | fis d b e a, c|
>g16 a8. r8 a4. | e'8 a,4 a8 a16 g a8|
>e'8 b4 a8 a16 b c8 | d a4 d8 g,4| a8 b16 c d8 a g16 b a8| a8 g16 b a8
>\times 2/3 { a8 [g b]} a8|
>a16 ( [g b] a [g b]) a ( [g b] c) [d8] | e8 [b16 b b b] a8 [b16 b c b] |
>e fis b, b b b a b c d e g|
>%46
>e16 g a8 \times 2/3 { d,16 d d } \times 2/3 {c16 b a}\times 2/3 {c16 b a
>} \times 2/3 {g16 fis fis}|
>fis8 fis4 fis8 fis16 fis fis8| fis8 e4 e8 e16 e e8| e16 d a'4 a8 a16 g
>a8 ~ a8 e4 a8 g16 b a8|
>g8 fis4 e8 d16 e e8| b'8 b4 b8 a16 b a8| g8 g4 g8 fis16 g a b | g8 g4 g8
>fis16 g fis8|
>e2. | a2.| c8 c4 c8 b16 c b a | c8 c4 c8 b16 a g a | b8 b4 a16 g fis e d
>a' | c4 d e |
>a,2. \bar "||"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>}
>four = \relative c
>{
>    \clef bass
>    \key a \minor
>    \time 6/8
>b4 r8 a4 r8 | b4 r8 a4 r8 | b4 r8 c4 r8| b r4 c8 r4 | fis4 r8 e4 r8| e4
>r8 b4 r8|
>c4 r8 g4 r8 | d4 r8 g4 r8| b16 c d c g b d8 r4 | c4 r8 d4 r8 | c16 d e d
>b g b4.|
>%12
>g'4 g8 g g16 g g8| b,4 b8 b b16 b b8| b16 a g a b e d8 c d ~ | d4 r2 |r2.|
>%17
>fis4 fis8 fis g16 a g8 | g a16 b c8 g a16 b d8| e e16 fis e d c8 r4 | c8
>c16 d b c a8 r4|
>g16 fis e fis d e c d e fis32 a c8| r2.| r2.|c,2.|
>%25
>e,16 e-> e e-> e e-> e e-> e e e8| e' e16 d c d e fis g d ~ d c| b a b c
>d e c8 g b|
>e,16 e-> e e-> e e-> e e-> e e e8|
>%29
>b'4 b8 b b16 b b8| a16 b c b a d e d g fis e d| e16 c e c d c b c d a d a|
>b16 c d8 r a16 b c8 r | g16 fis e8 r d' a4 |
>
>
>}
>five = \relative c'
>{
>    \clef bass
>    \key a \minor
>    \time 6/8
>    r4 \times 2/3 { b,16 b b} r4 \times 2/3 {b16 b b}| r4 \times 2/3
>{b16 b b }
>    r4 \times 2/3 {b16 b b }
>
>
>}
>\score {
><<
>    \new Staff \one
>    \new Staff \two
>    \new Staff \three
>    \new Staff \four
>    \new Staff \five
>    >>
>    \layout { }
>\midi { \tempo 8=112 }
>}
>
>
>
>
>  
>

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Re: triplet problem in multi-staff score 2.7 and 2.6 versions

Han-Wen Nienhuys
Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence wrote:

> Alas that did not solve the problem in 2.7.4 but it did solve it for
> 2.6.x so at least I've got a good copy now.
> Thanks all.
> Jay
> BTW there does seem to be disagreement on the list,  I am under the
> impression that Han-Wen thinks 2.7x are usable and therefore should be
> used (and sometimes have to be used to get benefit from some of the
> needed features)
> But then Mats/Graham and others keep on recommending staying with
> 'stable' which won't have the 'needed' features.  I'd love a
> clarification on this one.

2.7 is definitely usable. However, it's wise to *always* upgrade to the
lastest before reporting a bug. I've been messign with tuplets, so bugs
are quite possible. However, these bugs also get fixed very soon, often
before I receive the bugreport.

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Re: triplet problem in multi-staff score 2.7 and 2.6 versions

Erik Sandberg
In reply to this post by Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence
On Monday 22 August 2005 21.24, Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence wrote:

> Alas that did not solve the problem in 2.7.4 but it did solve it for
> 2.6.x so at least I've got a good copy now.
> Thanks all.
> Jay
> BTW there does seem to be disagreement on the list,  I am under the
> impression that Han-Wen thinks 2.7x are usable and therefore should be
> used (and sometimes have to be used to get benefit from some of the
> needed features)
> But then Mats/Graham and others keep on recommending staying with
> 'stable' which won't have the 'needed' features.  I'd love a
> clarification on this one.

It depends on what you expect from it: 2.7 _is_ usable, so you can use it if
you like. We also appreciate bug reports and comments. However, it's not
stable, which means that
- there's a greater risk of random errors
- people like Mats and Graham (and me) are less likely to help you if you run
into problems.

So, it's up to you. If you need the new features, you can either use 2.7 and
expect a lower degree of support, or you can wait for 2.8.

Erik


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Re: triplet problem in multi-staff score 2.7 and 2.6 versions

Graham Percival-2

On 22-Aug-05, at 3:06 PM, Erik Sandberg wrote:

> On Monday 22 August 2005 21.24, Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence wrote:
>> But then Mats/Graham and others keep on recommending staying with
>> 'stable' which won't have the 'needed' features.  I'd love a
>> clarification on this one.
>
> It depends on what you expect from it: 2.7 _is_ usable, so you can use
> it if
> you like. We also appreciate bug reports and comments. However, it's
> not
> stable, which means that
> - there's a greater risk of random errors
> - people like Mats and Graham (and me) are less likely to help you if
> you run
> into problems.

I'd like to clarify that somewhat: if you're using 2.7, then I expect
more from
the user.  They should be aware that random notation errors occur, that
random
packaging errors occur, etc.  If they report a bug, I'd like to see a
minimal
example that demonstrates it, not "here's my whole project; bar 86 looks
weird".

If somebody running 2.7 is polite about reporting a problem and has done
some investigation of their own, then I'm delighted to help them.  More
so
than somebody posting a random question about 2.6, in fact.

But if somebody seems surprised and upset that a feature in 2.7.7 is
broken
when it worked in 2.6.3, or doesn't seem to know enough about lily to
diagnose
problems, or is running a somewhat obscure operating system and has
packaging/installation problems, or just in general seems to prefer a
stable
music creation program, I recommend 2.6.

Cheers,
- Graham



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