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Gordon Gilbert
Hi!

I copied your file and convert-ly'd it to 2.7.20 (my version) and compiled
it.  I'm first of all wondering if, although you're using a very ancient
hymn (Let all mortal flesh keep silence), you're perhaps writing a new
tune for it?  Because the notes you have in there so far bear no
resemblance to the tune "Picardy" which traditionally goes with that hymn.
That is what I have on file, should you wish -- you can have the ly file,
and a PDF if you like -- just let me know.

Also, I see time values with the words -- if you have them with the
notes, that should be all that is necessary.  Putting slurs over the
notes, or using _ within the words should align the words to the notes
they belong with.  Try tweaking some of your code -- or if you're a
non-geek like me, find a template which works with your version and is
similar to what you want (i.e. two instruments, words, etc.) and put your
notes and words in that file, a bit at a time, compiling often so you can
make sure it keeps on working.

Blessings,

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Re: Re:Lyric word spanning two notes (Stephen Torri)

Stephen Torri
On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 18:12 -0500, Gordon Gilbert wrote:
> Also, I see time values with the words -- if you have them with the
> notes, that should be all that is necessary.  Putting slurs over the
> notes, or using _ within the words should align the words to the notes
> they belong with.  Try tweaking some of your code -- or if you're a
> non-geek like me, find a template which works with your version and is
> similar to what you want (i.e. two instruments, words, etc.) and put your
> notes and words in that file, a bit at a time, compiling often so you can
> make sure it keeps on working.

The notes to which 'flesh' and 'keep' are associated with in the hymn
are half notes. For the guitars we are using quarter notes to provide a
more melodic finger picking pattern. So I don't see why I need to put in
a slur since in guitar music, see classical guitar, a slur indicates
where one note is plucked by a finger and the second note at the end of
a slur is pressed with a hammer action by another finger. I do not want
a hammer action. I want to indicate that each note is played with
fingerpicking.

I am trying to learn how to produce guitar music for hymns that don't
have it so I want to try and learn on my own for starters. Thanks.

Stephen

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Re: Lyric word spanning two notes

Stephen Torri
As it stands I have a measure where I want to place two pieces of the
lyrics with a half note. No matter how I have attempted to say make the
first word a quarter note in length it still makes it a half note. This
throws off all the lyrics after this.

Can you point how where I am going wrong in the thirdVerse variable?

Stephen

---------------
\version "2.6.5"

global= {
        \time 2/2
}

%---------------------------
%   First guitar (regular)
%--------------------------
firstGuitar = \context Staff {
        \set Staff.instrument = "Guitar 1 "
        \context Voice = "GuitarOne" {
                \relative c
                {
                        \global
                        \key a \minor
                        % Am (measure 1)
                        d'4^"Am" a' f' d |

                        % Am F (measure 2)
                        a2
                        <f a d f>2\arpeggio^"F" |

                        % C (measure 3)
                        f4^"C" a f' c |

                        % Am (measure 4)
                        d,4^"Am" a' f' d |

                        % F (measure 5)
                        d,^"F" a' f' d |

                        % E (measure 6)
                        <e, a des f a>1\arpeggio^"E" |

                        % F (measure 7)
                        d4^"F" bes' f' d |

                        % C (measure 8)
                        f,4^"C" a f' c |

                        % Dm Am (measure 9)
                        <g d' g a>2\arpeggio^"Dm"
                        <d a' d f a>\arpeggio^"Am" |

                        % Am G#m (measure 10)
                        g,4 d'
                        <bes g' c dis g c>2\arpeggio^"G#m" |

                        % F (measure 11)
                        d4^"F" bes' f' d |

                        % C (measure 12)
                        <f, a c f a>1\arpeggio^"C" |

                        % A (measure 13)
                        d4^"A" a' ges' d |

                        % Dm (measure 14)
                        g,^"Dm" d' bes' g |

                        % Am (measure 15)
                        d,4^"Am" a' f' d |

                        % G (measure 16)
                        <c, e g c e c'>1\arpeggio^"G" |

                        % Am (measure 17)
                        d,4^"Am" a' f' d |

                        % Dm G (measure 18)
                        <g d' g a>2\arpeggio^"Dm"
                        <c, e g c e c'>2\arpeggio^"G" |

                        % Am (measure 19)
                        <d a' d f a>1\arpeggio^"Am" |
                }
        }
}

%---------------------------
%   Lyrics
%---------------------------
firstVerse = \lyricmode
{ Let all mor -- tal |
  flesh keep |
  si -- _ lence, _ |
  and with fear and |
  trem -- _ bling _ |
  stand; |
  pon -- der noth -- ing |
  earth -- _ ly _ |
  mind -- ed, |
  for with blessing |
  in _ his _ |
  hand, |
  Christ our God to |
  earth _ _ de- |
  scend _ -- _ _ |
  eth, |
  our full hom -- age |
  to de- |
  mand.
}

secondVerse = \lyricmode
{
  King of kings, yet |
  born of |
  Mar _ -- y _ |
  as of old on |
  eather _ he _ |
  stood, |
  Lord of lords, in |
  hu _ -- man _ |
  ves -- ture, |
  in the body |
  and _ the _ |
  blood, |
  he will give to |
  all _ the _ |
  faith _ -- _ _ |
  ful |
  his own self for |
  heav'n -- ly |
  food.
}

thirdVerse = \lyricmode
{
  Rank on rank the |
  host of |
  heav _ -- en _ |
  speads its van -- guard |
  on _ the _ |
  way, |
  as the Light of |
  light _ de -- _ |
  scend -- eth |
  from the realms4 of |
  end _ -- less _ |
  day, |
  that the pow'rs of |
  hell _ may _ |
  van _ -- _ _ |
  ish |
  as the dark -- ness |
  clears a |
  way.
}

fourthVerse = \lyricmode
{
  At his feet the |
  six -- winged |
  ser -- aph |
}

%---------------------------
%   Second guitar (tablature)
%---------------------------
secondGuitar = \context Staff = "GuitarTwo" {
        \set Staff.instrument = "Guitar 2 "
        \context Voice = "GuitarTwo" {
                \relative c
                {
                        \global
                        \key a \minor
                        % Am (measure 1)
                        d'4 a' a' f |

                        % Am F (measure 2)
                        d2
                        <f, a c f>2\arpeggio |

                        % C (measure 3)
                        f4 a a' f |

                        % Am (measure 4)
                        d,4 a' a' f |

                        % F (measure 5)
                        d, bes' bes' f |

                        % E (measure 6)
                        <e, a e' f>1\arpeggio^"E" |

                        % F (measure 7)
                        d4 bes' bes' f |

                        % C (measure 8)
                        f,4 a a' f |

                        % Dm Am (measure 9)
                        <g, d' g bes>2\arpeggio
                        <d a' d f a>\arpeggio |

                        % Am G#m (measure 10)
                        g,4 d'
                        <bes g' c dis g c>2\arpeggio |

                        % F (measure 11)
                        d4 bes' bes' f |

                        % C (measure 12)
                        <f, a c f a>1\arpeggio |

                        % A (measure 13)
                        d4 a' b' ges |

                        % Dm (measure 14)
                        d,4 g bes' g |

                        % Am (measure 15)
                        d,4 a' a' f |

                        % G (measure 16)
                        <c, e g c e c'>1\arpeggio |

                        % Am (measure 17)
                        d4 a' a' f |

                        % Dm G (measure 18)
                        <g, d' g a>2\arpeggio
                        <c, e g c e c'>2\arpeggio |

                        % Am (measure 19)
                        <d a' d f a>1\arpeggio |
        }
        }
}

%---------------------------
%   Score
%---------------------------
\score {
    << \firstGuitar
    \lyricsto "GuitarOne" \new Lyrics \firstVerse
    \lyricsto "GuitarOne" \new Lyrics \secondVerse
    \lyricsto "GuitarOne" \new Lyrics \thirdVerse
    \lyricsto "GuitarOne" \new Lyrics \fourthVerse
    \secondGuitar>>
    \layout {}
}


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Re: Lyric word spanning two notes

Gordon Gilbert
Hi Stephen!

I compiled your piece and the only workaround I can see for what you want
is to type "host-of" to get those two words on the same note -- lily
thinks a hyphen is simply part of a word (as opposed to <spc> dbl-hyphen
<spc> or *underscore*  Does this help?

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Re: Lyric word spanning two notes

Stephen Torri
On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 23:43 -0500, Gordon Gilbert wrote:
> Hi Stephen!
>
> I compiled your piece and the only workaround I can see for what you want
> is to type "host-of" to get those two words on the same note -- lily
> thinks a hyphen is simply part of a word (as opposed to <spc> dbl-hyphen
> <spc> or *underscore*  Does this help?

It works but its not ideal. If indeed lilypond is trying to engrave
music in the right way then I should not need a hyphen to make it put
two words attached to a half note.

Does anyone have an idea as to why I cannot assign two words of lyrics
to a half note?

Stephen

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Re: Lyric word spanning two notes

Graham Percival-2

On 13-Dec-05, at 10:30 PM, Stephen Torri wrote:

> It works but its not ideal. If indeed lilypond is trying to engrave
> music in the right way then I should not need a hyphen to make it put
> two words attached to a half note.
>
> Does anyone have an idea as to why I cannot assign two words of lyrics
> to a half note?

Sorry?  How are you supposed to sing two words on a single half note?  
Shouldn't that be two quarter notes of the same pitch?

Cheers,
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Scordature

Tomasz Bojczuk
I couldn't see scordature description in documentation, so i think, there
isn't this capacity in LilyPond, so...
How to insert the string number and any letter under the first clef (or under
time / key signature)?
Something like this:
(6)=D


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Re: Lyric word spanning two notes

Mats Bengtsson-6
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Of course you can fool LilyPond into beleiving that two words should
be treated like a single syllable. Either enclose them within double quotes:
"two words"
or use the fact the a single underline is printed like a space:
two_words

   /Mats

Stephen Torri wrote:

>On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 23:43 -0500, Gordon Gilbert wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi Stephen!
>>
>>I compiled your piece and the only workaround I can see for what you want
>>is to type "host-of" to get those two words on the same note -- lily
>>thinks a hyphen is simply part of a word (as opposed to <spc> dbl-hyphen
>><spc> or *underscore*  Does this help?
>>    
>>
>
>It works but its not ideal. If indeed lilypond is trying to engrave
>music in the right way then I should not need a hyphen to make it put
>two words attached to a half note.
>
>Does anyone have an idea as to why I cannot assign two words of lyrics
>to a half note?
>
>Stephen
>  
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Re: Lyric word spanning two notes (Stephen Torri)

Mats Bengtsson-6
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The notational convention for songs is to write two slurred (or tied)
quarter notes. Since this notation means something else for a guitarist,
you have to decide if you want your typeset piece to be a guitar piece
with attached lyrics or a song that can be played by a guitar, in order
to choose which of these two incompatible conventions to follow.

    /Mats

Stephen Torri wrote:

>On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 18:12 -0500, Gordon Gilbert wrote:
>  
>
>>Also, I see time values with the words -- if you have them with the
>>notes, that should be all that is necessary.  Putting slurs over the
>>notes, or using _ within the words should align the words to the notes
>>they belong with.  Try tweaking some of your code -- or if you're a
>>non-geek like me, find a template which works with your version and is
>>similar to what you want (i.e. two instruments, words, etc.) and put your
>>notes and words in that file, a bit at a time, compiling often so you can
>>make sure it keeps on working.
>>    
>>
>
>The notes to which 'flesh' and 'keep' are associated with in the hymn
>are half notes. For the guitars we are using quarter notes to provide a
>more melodic finger picking pattern. So I don't see why I need to put in
>a slur since in guitar music, see classical guitar, a slur indicates
>where one note is plucked by a finger and the second note at the end of
>a slur is pressed with a hammer action by another finger. I do not want
>a hammer action. I want to indicate that each note is played with
>fingerpicking.
>
>I am trying to learn how to produce guitar music for hymns that don't
>have it so I want to try and learn on my own for starters. Thanks.
>
>Stephen
>  
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Re: Scordature

Mats Bengtsson-6
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What aspects do you have in mind? In the Regression Test document, you can
find an example "key-signature-scordatura.ly" that shows how to typeset a
non-standard key signature, which often appears in scordatura scores.
For the actual string tuning, I guess there are many different notational
conventions. In violin music, I have seen the tuning written as a chord
before the clef of the first line, and it's not hard to convince
LilyPond to
typeset such a thing if you wish.
It seems that you want to have a textual indication instead, which is
easily
done using
\mark \markup{...}
at the top of the score.

   /Mats

Tomasz Bojczuk wrote:

>I couldn't see scordature description in documentation, so i think, there
>isn't this capacity in LilyPond, so...
>How to insert the string number and any letter under the first clef (or under
>time / key signature)?
>Something like this:
>(6)=D
>
>
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Re: Lyric word spanning two notes

Stephen Torri
In reply to this post by Graham Percival-2
On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 23:51 -0800, Graham Percival wrote:

> On 13-Dec-05, at 10:30 PM, Stephen Torri wrote:
>
> > It works but its not ideal. If indeed lilypond is trying to engrave
> > music in the right way then I should not need a hyphen to make it put
> > two words attached to a half note.
> >
> > Does anyone have an idea as to why I cannot assign two words of lyrics
> > to a half note?
>
> Sorry?  How are you supposed to sing two words on a single half note?  
> Shouldn't that be two quarter notes of the same pitch?
Your are right Graham in asking that question. I reviewed the hymm that
I am working on and others and found that one syllable is being sung per
note. So I do need to break up that half note in the affected measure.
Thanks.

Stephen

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Re: Scordature

Tomasz Bojczuk
In reply to this post by Mats Bengtsson-6
Dnia środa, 14 grudnia 2005 17:26, napisałeś:

> What aspects do you have in mind? In the Regression Test document, you can
> find an example "key-signature-scordatura.ly" that shows how to typeset a
> non-standard key signature, which often appears in scordatura scores.
> For the actual string tuning, I guess there are many different notational
> conventions. In violin music, I have seen the tuning written as a chord
> before the clef of the first line, and it's not hard to convince
> LilyPond to
> typeset such a thing if you wish.
> It seems that you want to have a textual indication instead, which is
> easily
> done using
> \mark \markup{...}
> at the top of the score.
>
>    /Mats
>
Concretly i need something like this (in apendix)
Is it possibile ??


but exactliy, i can put only text

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Re: Scordature

Mats Bengtsson-6


Tomasz Bojczuk wrote:

>Concretly i need something like this (in apendix)
>Is it possibile ??
>
>
>but exactliy, i can put only text
>  
>

Of course it's possible, it's LilyPond, right! ;-)

If you browse through section "8.1.7 Overview of text markup commands",
you will learn how to do the circled numbers and all other kind of stuff.

   /Mats


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