# Quarter tone sharp symbol in font

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## Quarter tone sharp symbol in font

 I need to use the quarter tone sharp symbol in text. Does anybody know of any font that supports this? The Unicode is 1D132.Andrew _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## Re: Quarter tone sharp symbol in font

 OK. I am using it in markup. I found \semisharp, which answers the question.Now, how to align the semisharp higher here:{  dih''''4  ^\markup { "D"\semisharp }}AndrewOn Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 17:22, Andrew Bernard <[hidden email]> wrote:I need to use the quarter tone sharp symbol in text. Does anybody know of any font that supports this? The Unicode is 1D132. _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## Re: Quarter tone sharp symbol in font

 \version "2.19.82"{  dih''''4  ^\markup { \raise #-1 "D"\semisharp }}JMLe 20 févr. 2019 à 07:29, Andrew Bernard <[hidden email]> a écrit :OK. I am using it in markup. I found \semisharp, which answers the question.Now, how to align the semisharp higher here:{  dih''''4  ^\markup { "D"\semisharp }}AndrewOn Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 17:22, Andrew Bernard <[hidden email]> wrote:I need to use the quarter tone sharp symbol in text. Does anybody know of any font that supports this? The Unicode is 1D132. _______________________________________________lilypond-user mailing list[hidden email]https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user_______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## Re: Quarter tone sharp symbol in font

 In reply to this post by Andrew Bernard Hi Andrew,How about:{  dih''''4  ^\markup\concat\vcenter { "D" \hspace #.2 \semisharp }}Cheers,PierreLe mer. 20 févr. 2019 à 07:30, Andrew Bernard <[hidden email]> a écrit :OK. I am using it in markup. I found \semisharp, which answers the question.Now, how to align the semisharp higher here:{  dih''''4  ^\markup { "D"\semisharp }}AndrewOn Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 17:22, Andrew Bernard <[hidden email]> wrote:I need to use the quarter tone sharp symbol in text. Does anybody know of any font that supports this? The Unicode is 1D132. _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## Re: Quarter tone sharp symbol in font

 Thank you Pierre. That also solves my problem in my code where these is too much space between the letter and the semisharp.Appreciated!AndrewOn Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 19:14, Pierre Perol-Schneider <[hidden email]> wrote:How about:{  dih''''4  ^\markup\concat\vcenter { "D" \hspace #.2 \semisharp }} _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## Re: Quarter tone sharp symbol in font

 Andrew,On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:53 AM Andrew Bernard <[hidden email]> wrote:Thank you Pierre. That also solves my problem in my code where these is too much space between the letter and the semisharp.Appreciated!AndrewOn Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 19:14, Pierre Perol-Schneider <[hidden email]> wrote:How about:{  dih''''4  ^\markup\concat\vcenter { "D" \hspace #.2 \semisharp }}It is useful to note that you can access any music glyph by name, as explained here:http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/the-emmentaler-fontIn your case, this is done with the following:\markup { \musicglyph "accidentals.sharp.slashslash.stem" }It's arguably shorter to just use the pre-constructed \semisharp syntax, but there isn't a shortcut for everything, so accessing them by name is always an option.Best,AbrahamBest,Abraham  _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## Re: Quarter tone sharp symbol in font

 Hi Abraham,I was in fact using markup, so this answer is excellent, and I eventually found \semisharp. But it actually came up when I wanted to use a semisharp in a text document, and I was surprised to find that although defined as Unicode 1D132, no font that I can find has a glyph at that code point.AndrewOn Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 07:14, Abraham Lee <[hidden email]> wrote:It is useful to note that you can access any music glyph by name, as explained here:http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/the-emmentaler-font _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## Re: Quarter tone sharp symbol in font

 On Thu 21 Feb 2019 at 13:22:27 (+1100), Andrew Bernard wrote: > I was in fact using markup, so this answer is excellent, and I eventually > found \semisharp. But it actually came up when I wanted to use a semisharp > in a text document, and I was surprised to find that although defined as > Unicode 1D132, no font that I can find has a glyph at that code point. I wish I knew how emacs performs its glyph substitution. My sampler file gives up at 2b20 (white pentagon), but when I typed in 1d132 and 1d133, it certainly had a go, but was let down somewhat by the screen resolution. Cheers, David. _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user emacs.png (10K) Download Attachment
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## Re: Quarter tone sharp symbol in font

 >> I was in fact using markup, so this answer is excellent, and I >> eventually found \semisharp. But it actually came up when I wanted >> to use a semisharp in a text document, and I was surprised to find >> that although defined as Unicode 1D132, no font that I can find has >> a glyph at that code point. > > I wish I knew how emacs performs its glyph substitution. My sampler > file gives up at 2b20 (white pentagon), but when I typed in 1d132 and > 1d133, it certainly had a go, but was let down somewhat by the screen > resolution. In Emacs, move the cursor to the interesting character, then press   C-u C-x = to see the current character's information.  For example, I get the font   -Free-Musica-normal-normal-normal-*-18-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 for character U+1D132 (since I haven't a special font setup for Emacs, it takes a loong time on my GNU/Linux box until this glyph gets displayed – this is probably a bug in the Emacs version I use). If I now say   fc-list -v | less I can search for Musica', and I get font /usr/share/fonts/truetype/Musica.ttf' as the result. Another solution to search for fonts that contain musical glyphs in the U+1D1xx range is to say   fc-list -v | grep -50 01d1: | less If you see many f's in the 01d1:' line chances are high that musical glyphs are covered.  Such fonts could then be set up in Emacs for covering the Unicode block.  On my box I additionally get Symbola', Noto Sans Symbols', and Ostrich Sans Bold' (the last one is a fake, containing empty glyphs instead).     Werner _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## Re: Quarter tone sharp symbol in font

 HI Werner,This is all great, but isn't it a bit circular? I run emacs 27.0.50 on Debian 9. I don't have the Musica font you refer to, and it's not built in. Could you tell me where you got that from?AndrewOn Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 17:29, Werner LEMBERG <[hidden email]> wrote: In Emacs, move the cursor to the interesting character, then press   C-u C-x = to see the current character's information.  For example, I get the font   -Free-Musica-normal-normal-normal-*-18-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## Re: Quarter tone sharp symbol in font

 > This is all great, but isn't it a bit circular? Circular?  What do you mean? > I run emacs 27.0.50 on Debian 9.  I don't have the Musica font you > refer to, and it's not built in. Built in?  What exactly is the problem?  A quick search on google with   musica.ttf debian yields   ttf-ancient-fonts as a package name. > Could you tell me where you got that from? It's part of an openSuSE package.  Anyways, I suggest to use the Noto font, which is actively maintained by google; again, a google search for   NotoSansSymbols-Regular.ttf debian yields   fonts-noto-unhinted as a Debian package name.  Note that I don't use Debian, so my quick search results might not fit. If you want the most recent version of the Noto font, download it from   https://github.com/googlei18n/noto-fonts/blob/master/unhinted/NotoSansSymbols-Regular.ttfA specimen of the font is available at   https://fontinfo.opensuse.org/fonts/NotoSansSymbolsRegular.html    Werner _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## Re: Quarter tone sharp symbol in font

 Hi Werner,Circular meaning implying the existence of something already that I don't have. Because you said you just ran emacs and looked. I found it is part of Suse. Thanks.I am looking at Symbola, but 1D132 is a very small sharp with a 4, which is valid, but not the normal lilypond semisharp symbol.AndrewOn Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 19:39, Werner LEMBERG <[hidden email]> wrote: > This is all great, but isn't it a bit circular? Circular?  What do you mean? _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## Re: Quarter tone sharp symbol in font

 Hi Werner,Thanks for all this really precious information. Noto Sans is really good.But I am barking up the wrong tree it appears to me. Symbola and Noto Sans cover this Unicode block, but the semisharp is the form of a sharp with a 4 for quartersharp. I was hoping to find the symbol I use, which is the lilypond semisharp symbol.Do I need to look at Bravura from SMuFL perhaps?Andrew _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## Re: Quarter tone sharp symbol in font

 In reply to this post by Andrew Bernard > Circular meaning implying the existence of something already that I > don't have.  Because you said you just ran emacs and looked. Well, the second method that I described can be used in case Emacs doesn't find a glyph.  BTW, another font that contains musical glyphs of the U+1D1xx range is FreeSerif.ttf', which contains accidentals at a `normal' size.  So I suggest to use either FreeSerif or NotoSansSymbols.     Werner _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## Re: Quarter tone sharp symbol in font

 Hello Werner,My requirement now solved: I downloaded a redistributable of the SMuFL font Bravura from the official github repo. It has more accidentals than I dreamed of existing. The lilypond ones are 'Stein-Zimmerman' (whatever that is!) and semisharp and semiflat are U+E280 and U+E282. Exactly right. This means I can now refer to these symbols in text documents such as the preface to the string quartet I am doing.I'm deeply grateful for your guidance.Andrew _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## Re: Quarter tone sharp symbol in font

 > My requirement now solved: I downloaded a redistributable of the > SMuFL font Bravura from the official github repo. OK, but... > It has more accidentals than I dreamed of existing. The lilypond > ones are 'Stein-Zimmerman' (whatever that is!) and semisharp and > semiflat are U+E280 and U+E282. ... please be aware that Unicode characters U+Exxx are from the Private Use Area (PUA), which isn't standardized.  It's just the SMuFL convention that gives them those character codes.  In other words, you are now bound to fonts that are compatible with SMuFL.     Werner _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user