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OpenLilyLib (Was: Re: lilypond export)

Johan Vromans
On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 15:01:19 +0200, Jan-Peter Voigt <[hidden email]> wrote:

> It is designed as an openlilylib-plugin so you should clone it next to
> oll-core (if you want to try it) It comes with one example file that
> shows the core commands.

Which reminds me...

When I visit https://openliliylib.org/ I get a page with text but nothing
to click on. No links (except for the generic links (github,
facebook, ...) at the bottom). This is confusing and discouraging...

-- Johan

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Re: OpenLilyLib (Was: Re: lilypond export)

Kieren MacMillan
Hi Johan,

> When I visit https://openliliylib.org/ I get a page with text but nothing
> to click on. No links (except for the generic links (github

Clicking on the GitHub link will take you to the current repository.

Hope this helps!
Kieren.
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Re: OpenLilyLib (Was: Re: lilypond export)

Johan Vromans
On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 15:44:24 -0400, Kieren MacMillan
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Johan,
>
> > When I visit https://openliliylib.org/ I get a page with text but
> > nothing to click on. No links (except for the generic links (github  
>
> Clicking on the GitHub link will take you to the current repository.
>
> Hope this helps!

No, it doesn't.

Clicking on the GitHub link will show a list of mysterious repositories.
The only repo that makes sense is "openlilylib". Oops, it is deprecated.

For the file exporter I seem to need oll-core, but this repo doesn't say
anything about how to use it. Just scary warnings like "this code (and
documentation) is currently in a conceptual state of pre-alpha quality".

The OpenLilyLib web page talks about "Learn how to get up and running with a
few steps" and "Browse the package list and search the full online
documentation" but there is no way to actually achieve this.

In particular, "Learn how to get up and running with a few steps" would be
helpful, as would "Browse the package list and search the full online
documentation".

I don't want to sound negative, but I find this rather discouraging.

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Re: OpenLilyLib (Was: Re: lilypond export)

Simon Albrecht-2
On 14.06.2017 23:14, Johan Vromans wrote:
> The OpenLilyLib web page talks about "Learn how to get up and running with a
> few steps" and "Browse the package list and search the full online
> documentation" but there is no way to actually achieve this.
>
> In particular, "Learn how to get up and running with a few steps" would be
> helpful, as would "Browse the package list and search the full online
> documentation".
>
> I don't want to sound negative, but I find this rather discouraging.

The current version of openLilyLib may be found at
<https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/>. If there is insufficient
documentation, and the whole project is in a kind of intermediary state
that may indeed be confusing, that’s because Urs has been having other
things on his mind, I think.

Best, Simon

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Re: OpenLilyLib (Was: Re: lilypond export)

Kieren MacMillan
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Hi Johan,

> The OpenLilyLib web page talks about "Learn how to get up and running with a
> few steps" and "Browse the package list and search the full online
> documentation" but there is no way to actually achieve this.
>
> In particular, "Learn how to get up and running with a few steps" would be
> helpful, as would "Browse the package list and search the full online
> documentation".

Patches or other concrete contributions are gratefully accepted.

Regards,
Kieren.
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Re: OpenLilyLib (Was: Re: lilypond export)

Urs Liska
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Am 14.06.2017 um 23:14 schrieb Johan Vromans:

> On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 15:44:24 -0400, Kieren MacMillan
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Johan,
>>
>>> When I visit https://openliliylib.org/ I get a page with text but
>>> nothing to click on. No links (except for the generic links (github  
>> Clicking on the GitHub link will take you to the current repository.
>>
>> Hope this helps!
> No, it doesn't.

Of course it doesn't. The Github link leads to an organization page,
which is not more than an uncommented collection of repositories.
Something most developers will be familiar with but not what an end user
will easily deal with.

>
> Clicking on the GitHub link will show a list of mysterious repositories.
> The only repo that makes sense is "openlilylib". Oops, it is deprecated.
>
> For the file exporter I seem to need oll-core, but this repo doesn't say
> anything about how to use it. Just scary warnings like "this code (and
> documentation) is currently in a conceptual state of pre-alpha quality".
>
> The OpenLilyLib web page talks about "Learn how to get up and running with a
> few steps" and "Browse the package list and search the full online
> documentation" but there is no way to actually achieve this.

The current state of what can be seen at openlilylib.org is the result
of commenting out the further functionality of a single-page (MEAN) web
application with which I got stuck for two different reason. On the one
hand I ran into learning problems when trying to populate my contents
from manageable files instead of hand-written JSON files. On the other
hand (and more fundamentally) the intent is to integrate openLilyLib
package documentation in the website, and that documentation system is
still non-existent.

>
> In particular, "Learn how to get up and running with a few steps" would be
> helpful, as would "Browse the package list and search the full online
> documentation".
>
> I don't want to sound negative, but I find this rather discouraging.
>

Am 14.06.2017 um 23:26 schrieb Simon Albrecht:
>
> If there is insufficient documentation, and the whole project is in a
> kind of intermediary state that may indeed be confusing, that’s
> because Urs has been having other things on his mind, I think.
>

I would put that differently: the underlying reason is that the whole
openLilyLib thing is (apart from the numerous contributions to the
snippets repository) still very much a one-man show, and I simply can't
afford doing much more than what I really need for my own purposes. This
is a pity, but I must also say that with some notable exceptions any
calls for collaboration or support haven't returned significant feedback
yet.

Am 14.06.2017 um 23:29 schrieb Kieren MacMillan:
> Patches or other concrete contributions are gratefully accepted.

That said, currently there are two distinct areas where any engagement
could be fruitful:

A)
I'd be more than happy if someone could help me or take over the
implementation of the website. Currently it is written as a
(artificially crippled) Node/Angular application, but I'm having
difficulties populating the datasets on the Node side.
I'd be interested in continuing on that track, but I'd equally value a
completely new approach, for example based on a static site builder.

B)
Together with Andrew Bernard and Matteo Ceccarello I've just started a
"project" with the goal of creating a toolchain to generate
documentation from openLilyLib packages
(https://github.com/openlilylib/oll-core/projects/1). This should be of
general interest as it will probably also produce a specification and
toolkit to create documentation for one's own files and libraries,
independent from the openLilyLib context.
This is a project that requires quite some discussion and planning and
later non-neglectable coding in to-be-decided languages (I'd guess
Scheme and Python). And I'd predict that this project is more likely to
succeed - and finally make openLilyLib accessible for regular use - if
there will be some collaboration/contribution.

Urs

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Re: OpenLilyLib (Was: Re: lilypond export)

Peter Crighton
2017-06-15 0:01 GMT+02:00 Urs Liska <[hidden email]>:
That said, currently there are two distinct areas where any engagement
could be fruitful:

A)
I'd be more than happy if someone could help me or take over the
implementation of the website. Currently it is written as a
(artificially crippled) Node/Angular application, but I'm having
difficulties populating the datasets on the Node side.
I'd be interested in continuing on that track, but I'd equally value a
completely new approach, for example based on a static site builder.

I’d love to see openLilyLib go forward, and I’d love to be able to help where I can. Unfortunately, my available time is quite limited, but that can only get better over the coming months.

So, I at least want to throw out there the Kirby CMS as a possible alternative to your present website setup. I gathered a little experience with it, building my own website, and I found it quite easy to use and very flexible. I love their file-based, no-database approach using Markdown syntax, which also makes it easily possible to deploy all content via Git (which I haven’t done yet, but I’d love to).
It is open source, but you need a licence – the personal one should suffice, though.
I don’t know if it would make things easier than with your current approach, but maybe something to look into?


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Re: OpenLilyLib (Was: Re: lilypond export)

Federico Bruni-2
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Il giorno gio 15 giu 2017 alle 0:01, Urs Liska <[hidden email]> ha
scritto:
> A) I'd be more than happy if someone could help me or take over the
> implementation of the website. Currently it is written as a
> (artificially crippled) Node/Angular application, but I'm having
> difficulties populating the datasets on the Node side. I'd be
> interested in continuing on that track, but I'd equally value a
> completely new approach, for example based on a static site builder.

Is this in some public repository?

I'm just curious to know which data need to be processed and how.
No time to help right now, but I'm about to start working on something
which may be related (extracting data from a database and reuse it in a
static website), so I might have some useful experience in the next
months.




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