# Double-flats used by Lilypond after transpose

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## Double-flats used by Lilypond after transpose

 Hi there guys, I've been writing out a part for B-flat sax. I've written out the music in concert pitch and so am using \transpose to display it in the right key for the B-flat sax. The part I'm writing is in E-major when in concert pitch, so this becomes G-flat-major when transposed for the B-flat instrument. The problem I'm having is that Lilypond is choosing to use double flats for a number of particular notes when it prints out the B-flat part. For example, if I write a G or an F in the concert part (which is in E-major) these get written out as B-doubleflat and A-doubleflat respectively, in the B-flat instrument part, instead of as A-natural and G-natural, which would be easier to read in my opinion. Is there a way to get around this problem - maybe to stop Lilypond from using doubleflats? Annoyingly, if I re-write my G as F-doublesharp it gets printed out as an A-natural when transposed - but I don't want to have to write my g as fss all the time as that will make working out what i've written a whole lot harder! Below is some code which should cause this problem for you too! Besides this I would just like to say: great work - I'm really impressed with Lilypond. Thanks! Jon \include "english.ly" sopranosax = \relative c'' {   \set Staff.instrumentName = "Soprano Sax"   \clef treble   \key e \major   \time 4/4   g4 f4 } \score {   \new Staff = "Soprano sax" { \transpose e gf \sopranosax}     \layout {     \context {       \Score     }   } } _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## Re: Double-flats used by Lilypond after transpose

 2007/8/1, Jon <[hidden email]>: > Hi there guys, > > I've been writing out a part for B-flat sax. I've written out the music in > concert pitch and so am using \transpose to display it in the right key for the > B-flat sax. The part I'm writing is in E-major when in concert pitch, so this > becomes G-flat-major when transposed for the B-flat instrument. > Is there a way to get around this problem - maybe to stop Lilypond from using > doubleflats? Annoyingly, if I re-write my G as F-doublesharp it gets printed > out as an A-natural when transposed - but I don't want to have to write my g as > fss all the time as that will make working out what i've written a whole lot > harder! Why don't you use    \transpose e fs instead of                 \transpose e gf ? Hope this helps! Valentin _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## RE: Double-flats used by Lilypond after transpose

 I have tried that but it transposes to F-sharp (6 sharps) and I'd rather it was in G-flat (6 flats). It doesn't put any double-accidentals when transposed to F# though, its true... If there's no work-around I guess I'll have to go the F# route, but this ought to be do-able somehow? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Valentin Villenave [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: 01 August 2007 11:36 To: Jon Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: Double-flats used by Lilypond after transpose 2007/8/1, Jon <[hidden email]>: > Hi there guys, > > I've been writing out a part for B-flat sax. I've written out the music in > concert pitch and so am using \transpose to display it in the right key for the > B-flat sax. The part I'm writing is in E-major when in concert pitch, so this > becomes G-flat-major when transposed for the B-flat instrument. > Is there a way to get around this problem - maybe to stop Lilypond from using > doubleflats? Annoyingly, if I re-write my G as F-doublesharp it gets printed > out as an A-natural when transposed - but I don't want to have to write my g as > fss all the time as that will make working out what i've written a whole lot > harder! Why don't you use    \transpose e fs instead of                 \transpose e gf ? Hope this helps! Valentin _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## Re: Double-flats used by Lilypond after transpose

 In reply to this post by Jon-97 see also: http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=136maybe that helps best ole Am 01.08.2007 um 12:20 schrieb Jon: > Hi there guys, > > I've been writing out a part for B-flat sax. I've written out the   > music in > concert pitch and so am using \transpose to display it in the right   > key for the > B-flat sax. The part I'm writing is in E-major when in concert   > pitch, so this > becomes G-flat-major when transposed for the B-flat instrument. > > The problem I'm having is that Lilypond is choosing to use double   > flats for a > number of particular notes when it prints out the B-flat part. For   > example, if > I write a G or an F in the concert part (which is in E-major) these   > get written > out as B-doubleflat and A-doubleflat respectively, in the B-flat   > instrument > part, instead of as A-natural and G-natural, which would be easier   > to read in > my opinion. > > Is there a way to get around this problem - maybe to stop Lilypond   > from using > doubleflats? Annoyingly, if I re-write my G as F-doublesharp it   > gets printed > out as an A-natural when transposed - but I don't want to have to   > write my g as > fss all the time as that will make working out what i've written a   > whole lot > harder! > > Below is some code which should cause this problem for you too! > > Besides this I would just like to say: great work - I'm really   > impressed with > Lilypond. Thanks! Jon > > > > \include "english.ly" > > sopranosax = \relative c'' { >   \set Staff.instrumentName = "Soprano Sax" >   \clef treble >   \key e \major >   \time 4/4 > >   g4 f4 > } > > \score { >   \new Staff = "Soprano sax" { \transpose e gf \sopranosax} > >   \layout { >     \context { >       \Score >     } >   } > } > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-user mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user_______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## RE: Double-flats used by Lilypond after transpose

 Ah that does look quite useful, thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Ole Schmidt [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: 01 August 2007 13:32 To: Jon; [hidden email] Subject: Re: Double-flats used by Lilypond after transpose see also: http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=136maybe that helps best ole Am 01.08.2007 um 12:20 schrieb Jon: > Hi there guys, > > I've been writing out a part for B-flat sax. I've written out the   > music in > concert pitch and so am using \transpose to display it in the right > key for the > B-flat sax. The part I'm writing is in E-major when in concert   > pitch, so this > becomes G-flat-major when transposed for the B-flat instrument. > > The problem I'm having is that Lilypond is choosing to use double   > flats for a > number of particular notes when it prints out the B-flat part. For   > example, if > I write a G or an F in the concert part (which is in E-major) these > get written > out as B-doubleflat and A-doubleflat respectively, in the B-flat   > instrument > part, instead of as A-natural and G-natural, which would be easier   > to read in > my opinion. > > Is there a way to get around this problem - maybe to stop Lilypond   > from using > doubleflats? Annoyingly, if I re-write my G as F-doublesharp it   > gets printed > out as an A-natural when transposed - but I don't want to have to   > write my g as > fss all the time as that will make working out what i've written a   > whole lot > harder! > > Below is some code which should cause this problem for you too! > > Besides this I would just like to say: great work - I'm really   > impressed with > Lilypond. Thanks! Jon > > > > \include "english.ly" > > sopranosax = \relative c'' { >   \set Staff.instrumentName = "Soprano Sax" >   \clef treble >   \key e \major >   \time 4/4 > >   g4 f4 > } > > \score { >   \new Staff = "Soprano sax" { \transpose e gf \sopranosax} > >   \layout { >     \context { >       \Score >     } >   } > } > > > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-user mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user_______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## Re: Double-flats used by Lilypond after transpose

 In reply to this post by Jon-97 On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 10:20:53AM +0000, Jon wrote: > Hi there guys, > > I've been writing out a part for B-flat sax. I've written out the music in > concert pitch and so am using \transpose to display it in the right key for the > B-flat sax. The part I'm writing is in E-major when in concert pitch, so this > becomes G-flat-major when transposed for the B-flat instrument. > > The problem I'm having is that Lilypond is choosing to use double flats for a > number of particular notes when it prints out the B-flat part. For example, if > I write a G or an F in the concert part (which is in E-major) these get written > out as B-doubleflat and A-doubleflat respectively, in the B-flat instrument > part, instead of as A-natural and G-natural, which would be easier to read in > my opinion. > The other option would be to transpose the piece into F-sharp major, which would (I presume) get rid of the double accidentals and be more (technically) correct. However, there seems to be a (rather complex) way to do it: have a look at http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/source/input/lsr/scheme/lily-0934c4d641.lyfor clues (I haven't had a good look at this, but I think it does whayt you're after.) Hope this helps! -- ============================================= Cameron Horsburgh ============================================= _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## Re: Double-flats used by Lilypond after transpose

 The transposition of the instrument does not depend on the key of the music. On a B-flat sax a written C sounds as a B-flat. That's all the information you need. So use \transpose bf c' {the music} And indeed, key E-major goes to F-sharp-major. The original transposition from E-major to G-flat-major implies an A-sharp saxophone. Toine Schreurs > > I've been writing out a part for B-flat sax. I've written out the music in > > concert pitch and so am using \transpose to display it in the right key for the > > B-flat sax. The part I'm writing is in E-major when in concert pitch, so this > > becomes G-flat-major when transposed for the B-flat instrument. > > > > The problem I'm having is that Lilypond is choosing to use double flats for a > > number of particular notes when it prints out the B-flat part. For example, if > > I write a G or an F in the concert part (which is in E-major) these get written > > out as B-doubleflat and A-doubleflat respectively, in the B-flat instrument > > part, instead of as A-natural and G-natural, which would be easier to read in > > my opinion. > > > > The other option would be to transpose the piece into F-sharp major, which > would (I presume) get rid of the double accidentals and be more > (technically) correct. _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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## RE: Double-flats used by Lilypond after transpose

 Yep sorry guys, I wrongly assumed that the sax player in our quartet would prefer reading 6-flats than 6-sharps (I would, but as a concert pitch player I'm used to reading things written in flat keys so that the horns aren't in tough keys). But I've just spoken to him and he's happier with the sharps... Thanks for your help! -----Original Message----- From: Toine Schreurs [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: 01 August 2007 14:59 To: Cameron Horsburgh Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email] Subject: Re: Double-flats used by Lilypond after transpose The transposition of the instrument does not depend on the key of the music. On a B-flat sax a written C sounds as a B-flat. That's all the information you need. So use \transpose bf c' {the music} And indeed, key E-major goes to F-sharp-major. The original transposition from E-major to G-flat-major implies an A-sharp saxophone. Toine Schreurs > > I've been writing out a part for B-flat sax. I've written out the music in > > concert pitch and so am using \transpose to display it in the right key for the > > B-flat sax. The part I'm writing is in E-major when in concert pitch, so this > > becomes G-flat-major when transposed for the B-flat instrument. > > > > The problem I'm having is that Lilypond is choosing to use double flats for a > > number of particular notes when it prints out the B-flat part. For example, if > > I write a G or an F in the concert part (which is in E-major) these get written > > out as B-doubleflat and A-doubleflat respectively, in the B-flat instrument > > part, instead of as A-natural and G-natural, which would be easier to read in > > my opinion. > > > > The other option would be to transpose the piece into F-sharp major, which > would (I presume) get rid of the double accidentals and be more > (technically) correct. _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user