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Francisco Vila
Hello all,

I'd like to share what I'm been working on lately.  Daahoud Salim, a
young Spanish composer and pianist has been commited by the Grachten
Festival Amsterdam to compose a short work for one main violin plus
piano quintet (string quartet plus piano), named "Poem - History of
Peoples", and it's going to be premiered tomorrow as a part of the
festival programme.

Players will be Rosanne Philippens (soloist, and dedicatee) and the
Aristos Quartet with D. Salim itself on the piano (links below).

Of course, what is relevant to LilyPond is that I offered to prepare
all the playing materials as a copyist from the composer's manuscript
(a PDF from Finale) as well as a score for a potential publishing.
It's my first work of copying I can label as serious. Many
difficulties arose and technical challenges were present, but I
learned a lot from the whole process and the result is very
satisfying.

My work of typesetting is licensed as CC-BY-SA and all the code and
rendered PDFs are freely avalilable for downloading. The work itself
is also free to perform and redistribute. I will share a link to the
whole thing (not before the premiere, though). So, stay tuned! I will
thank any comments.

Grachtenfestival Amsterdam
Poem: History of Peoples
https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/concert_detail.vm?id=3379

Sunday 13 August / 20:30
Muziek
Salim, D.: Poem: History of Peoples
Chausson, E: Poème
Ravel, M.: Violin Sonata no. 2 in G major

Daahoud Salim
piano, composer
https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=43576&lang=en

Rosanne Philippens
violin
https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=7906
http://www.rosannephilippens.com/

Aristos Quartet
https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?ens=8711&lang=en
http://aristosquartet.nl/home/
Evelien Jaspers - Dmitry Ivanov - Sylvain Dessane - Otto Bakker


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Fwd: A premiere by Daahoud Salim, typeset with LilyPond

Ralph Palmer
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Date: Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: A premiere by Daahoud Salim, typeset with LilyPond
To: Francisco Vila <[hidden email]>


On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 7:09 AM, Francisco Vila <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I'd like to share what I'm been working on lately.  Daahoud Salim, a
> young Spanish composer and pianist has been commited by the Grachten
> Festival Amsterdam to compose a short work for one main violin plus
> piano quintet (string quartet plus piano), named "Poem - History of
> Peoples", and it's going to be premiered tomorrow as a part of the
> festival programme.

Congratulations, Francisco!

All the best,

Ralph

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Re: A premiere by Daahoud Salim, typeset with LilyPond

Francisco Vila
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On 12/08/17 13:09, Francisco Vila wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I'd like to share what I'm been working on lately.  Daahoud Salim, a
> young Spanish composer and pianist has been commited by the Grachten
> Festival Amsterdam to compose a short work for one main violin plus
> piano quintet (string quartet plus piano), named "Poem - History of
> Peoples", and it's going to be premiered tomorrow as a part of the
> festival programme.
>
> Players will be Rosanne Philippens (soloist, and dedicatee) and the
> Aristos Quartet with D. Salim itself on the piano (links below).
>
> Of course, what is relevant to LilyPond is that I offered to prepare
> all the playing materials as a copyist from the composer's manuscript
> (a PDF from Finale) as well as a score for a potential publishing.
> It's my first work of copying I can label as serious. Many
> difficulties arose and technical challenges were present, but I
> learned a lot from the whole process and the result is very
> satisfying.
>
> My work of typesetting is licensed as CC-BY-SA and all the code and
> rendered PDFs are freely avalilable for downloading. The work itself
> is also free to perform and redistribute. I will share a link to the
> whole thing (not before the premiere, though). So, stay tuned! I will
> thank any comments.

Hello; as promised, here is the link: https://goo.gl/oauPWL but please
bear in mind that the composer has found some changes to be done and
therefore the version is not final. Read the history.txt file to know
what latest changes are.

Kind regards,

> Grachtenfestival Amsterdam
> Poem: History of Peoples
> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/concert_detail.vm?id=3379
>
> Sunday 13 August / 20:30
> Muziek
> Salim, D.: Poem: History of Peoples
> Chausson, E: Poème
> Ravel, M.: Violin Sonata no. 2 in G major
>
> Daahoud Salim
> piano, composer
> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=43576&lang=en
>
> Rosanne Philippens
> violin
> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=7906
> http://www.rosannephilippens.com/
>
> Aristos Quartet
> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?ens=8711&lang=en
> http://aristosquartet.nl/home/
> Evelien Jaspers - Dmitry Ivanov - Sylvain Dessane - Otto Bakker
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Re: A premiere by Daahoud Salim, typeset with LilyPond

David Bellows
[copied to entire list, sigh]

Hey Francisco,

It looks really nice, congratulations!

I was wondering if you could talk a bit about how you and the composer
chose the license for this work. I license my stuff under a permissive
CC license but still find it interesting when other composers do as
well and wonder about their thought process.

Thanks!
Dave Bellows

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:19 AM, Francisco Vila <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 12/08/17 13:09, Francisco Vila wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I'd like to share what I'm been working on lately.  Daahoud Salim, a
>> young Spanish composer and pianist has been commited by the Grachten
>> Festival Amsterdam to compose a short work for one main violin plus
>> piano quintet (string quartet plus piano), named "Poem - History of
>> Peoples", and it's going to be premiered tomorrow as a part of the
>> festival programme.
>>
>> Players will be Rosanne Philippens (soloist, and dedicatee) and the
>> Aristos Quartet with D. Salim itself on the piano (links below).
>>
>> Of course, what is relevant to LilyPond is that I offered to prepare
>> all the playing materials as a copyist from the composer's manuscript
>> (a PDF from Finale) as well as a score for a potential publishing.
>> It's my first work of copying I can label as serious. Many
>> difficulties arose and technical challenges were present, but I
>> learned a lot from the whole process and the result is very
>> satisfying.
>>
>> My work of typesetting is licensed as CC-BY-SA and all the code and
>> rendered PDFs are freely avalilable for downloading. The work itself
>> is also free to perform and redistribute. I will share a link to the
>> whole thing (not before the premiere, though). So, stay tuned! I will
>> thank any comments.
>
> Hello; as promised, here is the link: https://goo.gl/oauPWL but please
> bear in mind that the composer has found some changes to be done and
> therefore the version is not final. Read the history.txt file to know
> what latest changes are.
>
> Kind regards,
>
>> Grachtenfestival Amsterdam
>> Poem: History of Peoples
>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/concert_detail.vm?id=3379
>>
>> Sunday 13 August / 20:30
>> Muziek
>> Salim, D.: Poem: History of Peoples
>> Chausson, E: Poème
>> Ravel, M.: Violin Sonata no. 2 in G major
>>
>> Daahoud Salim
>> piano, composer
>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=43576&lang=en
>>
>> Rosanne Philippens
>> violin
>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=7906
>> http://www.rosannephilippens.com/
>>
>> Aristos Quartet
>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?ens=8711&lang=en
>> http://aristosquartet.nl/home/
>> Evelien Jaspers - Dmitry Ivanov - Sylvain Dessane - Otto Bakker
> --
>
> Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain)
> paconet.org , csmbadajoz.com
>
>
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Re: A premiere by Daahoud Salim, typeset with LilyPond

Francisco Vila
On 14/08/17 16:00, David Bellows wrote:

> [copied to entire list, sigh]
>
> Hey Francisco,
>
> It looks really nice, congratulations!
>
> I was wondering if you could talk a bit about how you and the composer
> chose the license for this work. I license my stuff under a permissive
> CC license but still find it interesting when other composers do as
> well and wonder about their thought process.
>
> Thanks!
> Dave Bellows

First I offered my edition work for free, provided that it would be
freely available. The composer agreed. This alone implies that PDFs are
also available, because in theory anyone could render the PDFs for
themselves, so I thought why not to ship them as well? I wouldn't make
much difference. But to be honest, the part "anyone to render by
themselves" was not fully clear because LilyPond is not excessively
popular among musicians from our close environment.

Then I asked directly for the license of the work itself. My position is
to be clear on this point: all other rights are kept by the composer,
given that a 'strong' copyright is automatically applied to any creative
work, and the fact a PDF is freely downloadable does not mean he can not
benefit from recordings et cetera. He stated that he didn't want to
block people to play the work, be it for free or for profit.

The only concern is, what if someone tries to become rich and/or
prevents others to do the same? Here is where the All Rights Reserved
comes into place. That way he reserves the right to be asked when a use
of the material could potentially be outside of the limits of fair use.

I don't know if the license is perfectly well chosen, but the compromise
looks reasonably safe.


>
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:19 AM, Francisco Vila <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 12/08/17 13:09, Francisco Vila wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I'd like to share what I'm been working on lately.  Daahoud Salim, a
>>> young Spanish composer and pianist has been commited by the Grachten
>>> Festival Amsterdam to compose a short work for one main violin plus
>>> piano quintet (string quartet plus piano), named "Poem - History of
>>> Peoples", and it's going to be premiered tomorrow as a part of the
>>> festival programme.
>>>
>>> Players will be Rosanne Philippens (soloist, and dedicatee) and the
>>> Aristos Quartet with D. Salim itself on the piano (links below).
>>>
>>> Of course, what is relevant to LilyPond is that I offered to prepare
>>> all the playing materials as a copyist from the composer's manuscript
>>> (a PDF from Finale) as well as a score for a potential publishing.
>>> It's my first work of copying I can label as serious. Many
>>> difficulties arose and technical challenges were present, but I
>>> learned a lot from the whole process and the result is very
>>> satisfying.
>>>
>>> My work of typesetting is licensed as CC-BY-SA and all the code and
>>> rendered PDFs are freely avalilable for downloading. The work itself
>>> is also free to perform and redistribute. I will share a link to the
>>> whole thing (not before the premiere, though). So, stay tuned! I will
>>> thank any comments.
>> Hello; as promised, here is the link: https://goo.gl/oauPWL but please
>> bear in mind that the composer has found some changes to be done and
>> therefore the version is not final. Read the history.txt file to know
>> what latest changes are.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>> Grachtenfestival Amsterdam
>>> Poem: History of Peoples
>>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/concert_detail.vm?id=3379
>>>
>>> Sunday 13 August / 20:30
>>> Muziek
>>> Salim, D.: Poem: History of Peoples
>>> Chausson, E: Poème
>>> Ravel, M.: Violin Sonata no. 2 in G major
>>>
>>> Daahoud Salim
>>> piano, composer
>>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=43576&lang=en
>>>
>>> Rosanne Philippens
>>> violin
>>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=7906
>>> http://www.rosannephilippens.com/
>>>
>>> Aristos Quartet
>>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?ens=8711&lang=en
>>> http://aristosquartet.nl/home/
>>> Evelien Jaspers - Dmitry Ivanov - Sylvain Dessane - Otto Bakker
>> --
>>
>> Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain)
>> paconet.org , csmbadajoz.com
>>
>>
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Re: A premiere by Daahoud Salim, typeset with LilyPond

Knute Snortum
The "CC" license mentioned in the quoted material is Creative Commons (https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/) and it was designed for exactly these kinds of situations.


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On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Francisco Vila <[hidden email]> wrote:
On 14/08/17 16:00, David Bellows wrote:
> [copied to entire list, sigh]
>
> Hey Francisco,
>
> It looks really nice, congratulations!
>
> I was wondering if you could talk a bit about how you and the composer
> chose the license for this work. I license my stuff under a permissive
> CC license but still find it interesting when other composers do as
> well and wonder about their thought process.
>
> Thanks!
> Dave Bellows

First I offered my edition work for free, provided that it would be
freely available. The composer agreed. This alone implies that PDFs are
also available, because in theory anyone could render the PDFs for
themselves, so I thought why not to ship them as well? I wouldn't make
much difference. But to be honest, the part "anyone to render by
themselves" was not fully clear because LilyPond is not excessively
popular among musicians from our close environment.

Then I asked directly for the license of the work itself. My position is
to be clear on this point: all other rights are kept by the composer,
given that a 'strong' copyright is automatically applied to any creative
work, and the fact a PDF is freely downloadable does not mean he can not
benefit from recordings et cetera. He stated that he didn't want to
block people to play the work, be it for free or for profit.

The only concern is, what if someone tries to become rich and/or
prevents others to do the same? Here is where the All Rights Reserved
comes into place. That way he reserves the right to be asked when a use
of the material could potentially be outside of the limits of fair use.

I don't know if the license is perfectly well chosen, but the compromise
looks reasonably safe.


>
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:19 AM, Francisco Vila <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 12/08/17 13:09, Francisco Vila wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I'd like to share what I'm been working on lately.  Daahoud Salim, a
>>> young Spanish composer and pianist has been commited by the Grachten
>>> Festival Amsterdam to compose a short work for one main violin plus
>>> piano quintet (string quartet plus piano), named "Poem - History of
>>> Peoples", and it's going to be premiered tomorrow as a part of the
>>> festival programme.
>>>
>>> Players will be Rosanne Philippens (soloist, and dedicatee) and the
>>> Aristos Quartet with D. Salim itself on the piano (links below).
>>>
>>> Of course, what is relevant to LilyPond is that I offered to prepare
>>> all the playing materials as a copyist from the composer's manuscript
>>> (a PDF from Finale) as well as a score for a potential publishing.
>>> It's my first work of copying I can label as serious. Many
>>> difficulties arose and technical challenges were present, but I
>>> learned a lot from the whole process and the result is very
>>> satisfying.
>>>
>>> My work of typesetting is licensed as CC-BY-SA and all the code and
>>> rendered PDFs are freely avalilable for downloading. The work itself
>>> is also free to perform and redistribute. I will share a link to the
>>> whole thing (not before the premiere, though). So, stay tuned! I will
>>> thank any comments.
>> Hello; as promised, here is the link: https://goo.gl/oauPWL but please
>> bear in mind that the composer has found some changes to be done and
>> therefore the version is not final. Read the history.txt file to know
>> what latest changes are.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>> Grachtenfestival Amsterdam
>>> Poem: History of Peoples
>>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/concert_detail.vm?id=3379
>>>
>>> Sunday 13 August / 20:30
>>> Muziek
>>> Salim, D.: Poem: History of Peoples
>>> Chausson, E: Poème
>>> Ravel, M.: Violin Sonata no. 2 in G major
>>>
>>> Daahoud Salim
>>> piano, composer
>>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=43576&lang=en
>>>
>>> Rosanne Philippens
>>> violin
>>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=7906
>>> http://www.rosannephilippens.com/
>>>
>>> Aristos Quartet
>>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?ens=8711&lang=en
>>> http://aristosquartet.nl/home/
>>> Evelien Jaspers - Dmitry Ivanov - Sylvain Dessane - Otto Bakker
>> --
>>
>> Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain)
>> paconet.org , csmbadajoz.com
>>
>>
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David Bellows
> He stated that he didn't want to
block people to play the work, be it for free or for profit.

> The only concern is, what if someone tries to become rich and/or
prevents others to do the same?

Here's the page in the Creative Commons website (the license you used
at the bottom of the first page) that discusses your options, which
allowances/restrictions you wish to allow:

https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/licensing-types-examples/

Personally I use:
"by" (I must be attributed)
"sa" (share alike, ie, must preserve this same license if they use my
work -- this seems to be what the composer is concerned with)

I don't use either the "no commercial" or "no derivative" clauses. By
not using the "nc" clause people are allowed to make money off the
work. This seems to be what your composer wishes to allow -- that
people can play the work for profit. You haven't said anything about
whether the composer wishes to allow people to modify the original.

So this would look like CC BY-SA 4.0:
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

or CC BY-ND 4.0 if the composer does not wish to allow people to
modify his original work.

Anyway, I applaud the two of you for making these choices.

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Knute Snortum <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The "CC" license mentioned in the quoted material is Creative Commons
> (https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/) and it was designed for
> exactly these kinds of situations.
>
>
> ---
> Knute Snortum
> (via Gmail)
>
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Francisco Vila <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>>
>> On 14/08/17 16:00, David Bellows wrote:
>> > [copied to entire list, sigh]
>> >
>> > Hey Francisco,
>> >
>> > It looks really nice, congratulations!
>> >
>> > I was wondering if you could talk a bit about how you and the composer
>> > chose the license for this work. I license my stuff under a permissive
>> > CC license but still find it interesting when other composers do as
>> > well and wonder about their thought process.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> > Dave Bellows
>>
>> First I offered my edition work for free, provided that it would be
>> freely available. The composer agreed. This alone implies that PDFs are
>> also available, because in theory anyone could render the PDFs for
>> themselves, so I thought why not to ship them as well? I wouldn't make
>> much difference. But to be honest, the part "anyone to render by
>> themselves" was not fully clear because LilyPond is not excessively
>> popular among musicians from our close environment.
>>
>> Then I asked directly for the license of the work itself. My position is
>> to be clear on this point: all other rights are kept by the composer,
>> given that a 'strong' copyright is automatically applied to any creative
>> work, and the fact a PDF is freely downloadable does not mean he can not
>> benefit from recordings et cetera. He stated that he didn't want to
>> block people to play the work, be it for free or for profit.
>>
>> The only concern is, what if someone tries to become rich and/or
>> prevents others to do the same? Here is where the All Rights Reserved
>> comes into place. That way he reserves the right to be asked when a use
>> of the material could potentially be outside of the limits of fair use.
>>
>> I don't know if the license is perfectly well chosen, but the compromise
>> looks reasonably safe.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:19 AM, Francisco Vila <[hidden email]>
>> > wrote:
>> >> On 12/08/17 13:09, Francisco Vila wrote:
>> >>> Hello all,
>> >>>
>> >>> I'd like to share what I'm been working on lately.  Daahoud Salim, a
>> >>> young Spanish composer and pianist has been commited by the Grachten
>> >>> Festival Amsterdam to compose a short work for one main violin plus
>> >>> piano quintet (string quartet plus piano), named "Poem - History of
>> >>> Peoples", and it's going to be premiered tomorrow as a part of the
>> >>> festival programme.
>> >>>
>> >>> Players will be Rosanne Philippens (soloist, and dedicatee) and the
>> >>> Aristos Quartet with D. Salim itself on the piano (links below).
>> >>>
>> >>> Of course, what is relevant to LilyPond is that I offered to prepare
>> >>> all the playing materials as a copyist from the composer's manuscript
>> >>> (a PDF from Finale) as well as a score for a potential publishing.
>> >>> It's my first work of copying I can label as serious. Many
>> >>> difficulties arose and technical challenges were present, but I
>> >>> learned a lot from the whole process and the result is very
>> >>> satisfying.
>> >>>
>> >>> My work of typesetting is licensed as CC-BY-SA and all the code and
>> >>> rendered PDFs are freely avalilable for downloading. The work itself
>> >>> is also free to perform and redistribute. I will share a link to the
>> >>> whole thing (not before the premiere, though). So, stay tuned! I will
>> >>> thank any comments.
>> >> Hello; as promised, here is the link: https://goo.gl/oauPWL but please
>> >> bear in mind that the composer has found some changes to be done and
>> >> therefore the version is not final. Read the history.txt file to know
>> >> what latest changes are.
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards,
>> >>
>> >>> Grachtenfestival Amsterdam
>> >>> Poem: History of Peoples
>> >>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/concert_detail.vm?id=3379
>> >>>
>> >>> Sunday 13 August / 20:30
>> >>> Muziek
>> >>> Salim, D.: Poem: History of Peoples
>> >>> Chausson, E: Poème
>> >>> Ravel, M.: Violin Sonata no. 2 in G major
>> >>>
>> >>> Daahoud Salim
>> >>> piano, composer
>> >>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=43576&lang=en
>> >>>
>> >>> Rosanne Philippens
>> >>> violin
>> >>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=7906
>> >>> http://www.rosannephilippens.com/
>> >>>
>> >>> Aristos Quartet
>> >>> https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?ens=8711&lang=en
>> >>> http://aristosquartet.nl/home/
>> >>> Evelien Jaspers - Dmitry Ivanov - Sylvain Dessane - Otto Bakker
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain)
>> >> paconet.org , csmbadajoz.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> --
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>> paconet.org , csmbadajoz.com
>>
>>
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XML import (WAS: A premiere by Daahoud Salim, typeset with LilyPond)

Francisco Vila

From my work on Daahoud Salim's sextet, I can tell to those interested some things to do and some not to. Today I am focusing on the XML import alone.

Long story short: avoid it.

This is a very small piece when compared to dozens of huge works we all in the list have seen on the years, but it is decent-sized for me, at least big enough so that some mistakes can have a deep effect on the workflow.

What is obviuos is that a version control system of any kind is absolutley needed. In my case that saved me from the disaster two or more times. Branches are very useful, too. But this is well known by git users. All ponders, do become git users! Some also use Make for building. I used it for my LaTeX thesis. _My_ problem with Make is that syntax of makefiles is very hard to read.

The piano part looked cumbersome to type; I knew the composer could give me exported XMLs from Finale and I thought this was going to make me save some time. It was rather the opposite. MusicXML puts too many layout details forced.

- The converted code has \stemUp and \stemDown in every single note, which had to be searched and replaced. Also all articulations are forced up or down. Beams are also fixed.

- Page and line breaks are there and you don't want them.

- Tuplet fractions are often almost impossible to understand.

- Line breaks in the code itself are nonsense, e.g. in the middle of a <> chord or a tuplet.

- Bar number checks have to be searched as well to delete them. What if you want to insert a measure? it's a nightmare. Even worse, bar number checks are not fixed strings, so you have to compose regular expressions to match them.

- Dynamics are not attached to the note it is meant to, if the author moved them with the mouse.

- Page size is usually US Letter.

- Just look at this converted block:

#(set-global-staff-size 20.6625714286)

\paper {
    paper-width = 21.59\cm
    paper-height = 27.93\cm
    top-margin = 1.27\cm
    bottom-margin = 1.27\cm
    left-margin = 2.53\cm
    right-margin = 1.27\cm
    between-system-space = 2.19\cm
    page-top-space = 1.27\cm
    indent = 1.66076923077\cm
    short-indent = 1.10717948718\cm
  }

No comments. Except that you have to pay attention to it even if you want to discard it completely, because it's between all else, otherwise useful, code. The work of picking and editing the useful parts is time-consuming.

My advice to all copyists is: unless you can extract naked pitches and rhythms from the XML, it is better to forget it.

===============

> Hello; as promised, here is the link: https://goo.gl/oauPWL but please bear in mind
> that the composer has found some changes to be done and therefore the version
> is not final. Read the history.txt file to know what latest changes are.
Grachtenfestival Amsterdam
Poem: History of Peoples
https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/concert_detail.vm?id=3379

Sunday 13 August / 20:30
Muziek
Salim, D.: Poem: History of Peoples
Chausson, E: Poème
Ravel, M.: Violin Sonata no. 2 in G major

Daahoud Salim
piano, composer
https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=43576&lang=en

Rosanne Philippens
violin
https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?mus=7906
http://www.rosannephilippens.com/

Aristos Quartet
https://www.grachtenfestival.nl/musician_detail.vm?ens=8711&lang=en
http://aristosquartet.nl/home/
Evelien Jaspers - Dmitry Ivanov - Sylvain Dessane - Otto Bakker

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Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain)
paconet.org , csmbadajoz.com

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Re: XML import (WAS: A premiere by Daahoud Salim, typeset with LilyPond)

Richard Shann-2
On Tue, 2017-08-15 at 13:25 +0200, Francisco Vila wrote:
> From my work on Daahoud Salim's sextet, I can tell to those interested
> some things to do and some not to. Today I am focusing on the XML
> import alone.
>
> Long story short: avoid it.
[...]
>
> My advice to all copyists is: unless you can extract naked pitches and
> rhythms from the XML, it is better to forget it.
>
I agree with this advice, which is why Denemo's MusicXML is still so
primitive. It has a few hiccups but it ignores most of what is not the
the music per se but is instead decisions about how the music should
look. I think LilyPond would be well served by a converter that takes
all the pitches/durations and things like time signatures needed to make
sense of them and ignores everything else. Meantime, Denemo can provide
a rather clunky route to get the bulk of the notes of a piece from
MusicXML into LilyPond notation.

Richard






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Re: XML import (WAS: A premiere by Daahoud Salim, typeset with LilyPond)

Francisco Vila
On 15/08/17 15:01, Richard Shann wrote:
> I agree with this advice, which is why Denemo's MusicXML is still so
> primitive. It has a few hiccups but it ignores most of what is not the
> the music per se but is instead decisions about how the music should
> look. I think LilyPond would be well served by a converter that takes
> all the pitches/durations and things like time signatures needed to make
> sense of them and ignores everything else.

Yes, I'd like to hack the musicxml2ly, if I only could, to filter the
conversion, as we can't do anything on the export from to XML process
from the other side.

As an alternative, smart regular expressions could be of help to filter
out certain elements from the ly code after the conversion. I'll try to
post those I used.

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paconet.org , csmbadajoz.com


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Re: XML import (WAS: A premiere by Daahoud Salim, typeset with LilyPond)

Jacques Menu Muzhic
In reply to this post by Francisco Vila
Hello Francisco,

- The converted code has \stemUp and \stemDown in every single note, which had to be searched and replaced. Also all articulations are forced up or down. 

Don’t know why musicxml2ly recently enforced such behavior, without any option to prevent it.
The same holds for \pointAndClickOff.

- Bar number checks have to be searched as well to delete them. What if you want to insert a measure? it's a nightmare. Even worse, bar number checks are not fixed strings, so you have to compose regular expressions to match them.

I’ve written a bash/awk script to offset measures numbers, leading to:

menu@macbookprojm > SubstractNFromLPEndOfLineBarNumbers -4
    d2  d8 [  d8  e8
    fis8 ] | % 2
    g4.  fis8  g4.  a8 | % 3
    bes1 | % 4
    d,4.  c8  d4.  e8 | % 5
    f2. r16  f16 [  es16  d16 ]
    \myBreak | % 6
    c4.  bes8  c4.  d8 | % 7
    es1 | % 8
    g,4.  fis8  g4.  a8 | % 9
    bes4.  a8  bes4.  c8 |
    \barNumberCheck #10



    d2  d8 [  d8  e8
    fis8 ] | % 6
    g4.  fis8  g4.  a8 | % 7
    bes1 | % 8
    d,4.  c8  d4.  e8 | % 9
    f2. r16  f16 [  es16  d16 ]
    \myBreak | % 10
    c4.  bes8  c4.  d8 | % 11
    es1 | % 12
    g,4.  fis8  g4.  a8 | % 13
    bes4.  a8  bes4.  c8 |
    \barNumberCheck # 14



menu@macbookprojm

Copy/paste the LP snippet, type some carriage returns followed by Ctrl-d, and copy the result back into your LP code.
I guess Frescobaldi could provide such a tool to act upon the current text selection.

- Dynamics are not attached to the note it is meant to, if the author moved them with the mouse.

Do you mean they’re attached to a rest? I get that frequently after scanning with PhotoScore Ultimate and exporting to MusicXML. Or have you experienced a thoroughly different phenomenon?

- Just look at this converted block:

#(set-global-staff-size 20.6625714286)

\paper {
    paper-width = 21.59\cm
    paper-height = 27.93\cm
    top-margin = 1.27\cm
    bottom-margin = 1.27\cm
    left-margin = 2.53\cm
    right-margin = 1.27\cm
    between-system-space = 2.19\cm
    page-top-space = 1.27\cm
    indent = 1.66076923077\cm
    short-indent = 1.10717948718\cm
  }

No comments. Except that you have to pay attention to it even if you want to discard it completely, because it's between all else, otherwise useful, code. The work of picking and editing the useful parts is time-consuming.

The numerous decimal digits could easily be limited to 2 without a great loss IMHO. 
The various settings in \paper seem to come from the MusicXML data itself, and having them there makes it easy for the user to adapt them to what he needs.

JM



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Re: XML import (WAS: A premiere by Daahoud Salim, typeset with LilyPond)

Francisco Vila
On 15/08/17 20:25, Jacques Menu Muzhic wrote:
Hello Francisco,

- The converted code has \stemUp and \stemDown in every single note, which had to be searched and replaced. Also all articulations are forced up or down. 

Don’t know why musicxml2ly recently enforced such behavior, without any option to prevent it.
The same holds for \pointAndClickOff.

- Bar number checks have to be searched as well to delete them. What if you want to insert a measure? it's a nightmare. Even worse, bar number checks are not fixed strings, so you have to compose regular expressions to match them.

I’ve written a bash/awk script to offset measures numbers, leading to:

That is interesting.

- Dynamics are not attached to the note it is meant to, if the author moved them with the mouse.

Do you mean they’re attached to a rest? I get that frequently after scanning with PhotoScore Ultimate and exporting to MusicXML. Or have you experienced a thoroughly different phenomenon?

Usually a rest, if rests precede the dynamics, but also any note preceding the dynamics, if this is in the middle of a measure full of noteheads. It looks as if Finale users first put the dynamic anywhere in the measure (thus being hardwired to the beginning), then reposition it to the corresponding note. It is visually correct (for them), but internally it loses the meaning.

- Just look at this converted block:

#(set-global-staff-size 20.6625714286)

\paper {
    paper-width = 21.59\cm
    paper-height = 27.93\cm
    top-margin = 1.27\cm
    bottom-margin = 1.27\cm
    left-margin = 2.53\cm
    right-margin = 1.27\cm
    between-system-space = 2.19\cm
    page-top-space = 1.27\cm
    indent = 1.66076923077\cm
    short-indent = 1.10717948718\cm
  }

No comments. Except that you have to pay attention to it even if you want to discard it completely, because it's between all else, otherwise useful, code. The work of picking and editing the useful parts is time-consuming.

The numerous decimal digits could easily be limited to 2 without a great loss IMHO.
Yes, eleven decimals look like a bit too many for me.

The various settings in \paper seem to come from the MusicXML data itself, and having them there makes it easy for the user to adapt them to what he needs.
All in all, one of the most usefulness of LilyPond is completely lost, which is to make beautifully typeset music automatically from a terse, meaningful symbolic language.

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paconet.org , csmbadajoz.com

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Re: XML import (WAS: A premiere by Daahoud Salim, typeset with LilyPond)

Francisco Vila
On 15/08/17 20:55, Francisco Vila wrote:
> All in all, one of the most usefulness of LilyPond is completely lost,
> which is to make beautifully typeset music automatically from a terse,
> meaningful symbolic language.
>
It must be said, however, that a blind Spanish user today told me that
something is far better than nothing, so the feature maybe is still
useful for some people.
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